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Mattias Arvola wrote: > Even though the stuff designed may be based on..they are not > publications in themselves. In the same way, patents are not publications (even though > some people count them). > > However, they do count as a merit...If you in the future > want a teaching position or want to be a leading professional, the productions you have > made do count. That's is right but it needs some unpicking. First of all any work can become part of or support a publication of some kind, the key word is "publish". You as a researcher have to take the initiative to set out your case and make the contribution to the field explicit. I could imagine a situation where this might be done very easily, if for example an expert judging panel had made an award to product X, citing it as a significant advancement of the field resulting from systematic inquiry and original thinking, then the designer/researcher need only put the product and the award citation together although they may have had to do some work previously to demonstrate the systematic inquiry to the panel. In most cases however life is not so straightforward and the value of a peer-reviewed publication is that it gives you the opportunity to set out your case for the originality and methodology of your work and have it validated. Making the published paper the end-point of the research does not mean that the product and its development is not significant in the inquiry so this is not a case of either product or paper. But the idea that completed designs as such are valuable for other kinds of professional accreditation is dangerous. I have seen people brandishing portfolios of impressive products then found that the individual concerned did not play the significant role they were implying. I won't speak for industrial employers and clients (although I think some of them are probably too easily bamboozled) but in the academy we should expect people to put forward a clear story, with evidence, to demonstrate the originality and professionalism of their work. Very much like publishing your research. best wishes from Sheffield Chris ...............................................................o^o Professor Chris Rust FDRS Head of Art and Design Sheffield Hallam University, S1 2NU, UK +44 114 225 6772 [log in to unmask] http://chrisrust.wordpress.com/ Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the future of the human race. - H. G. Wells