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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture It's in Latham's Revised Medieval Latin Word-List (but not I think in the relevant fascicule of the Medieval Latin Dictionary which he edited based on the Word-List). Actually the original question was when and indeed whether it could be translated as 'for life' in a charter. My student's idea as I understand it is that it can be so translated in late C13 contexts and he is using this to re-date a document traditionally assigned to the C12 (the Liber Landavensis). I think the discussion on this list suggests pretty conclusively that he can't. Of course he may disagree with all of you! Maddy -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher Crockett Sent: 22 June 2009 15:44 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] Translation from Latin medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: "George H. Brown" <[log in to unmask]> > On Jun 19, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Christopher Crockett wrote: >> why no "imperpetuum"? > Because modern lexicographers consider "in" + substantive to be a preposition and therefore separated from its modified object.... thanks, George. but that's the whole point (to the extent that there *is* a point left here), isn't it? the original questio was, "Is 'imperpetuum' a word?" and the answer, from our esteemed palaeographical collegues, is "Yes." since "imperpetuum" is found in numerous mss., it is a "word" --Q.E.D. the fact that "imperpetuum" is, in fact, a corruption (perhaps that's not the best technical term) of "in perpetuum" shouldn't make any difference, viz-a-viz the fundamental question of whether or not "imperpetuum" is, indeed, a word. and, if it *is* a word, then it should be in Niermeyer's lexicon --or du Cange, for that matter-- if only with a simple entry like, "Corruption of _in perpetuum_" i seem to be missing something here.... not for the first time, alas. c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html