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Shall we say "primary"--
Rupin and other 19th century historians of Moissac are indeed "secondary"
sources, and their pronouncements on or estimates of past events are
valuable in so far as they are evaluated in the context of the many
intervening dimensions that historians, etc. discover/uncover (well and
frequently discussed on this list). Among which might be a consideration of
the relative status of Moissac's "fame" and real power in the time of
Innocent III vs. the period of its greatest impact--late 11th/mid 12th C
(and how Rupin pitches this "power" into the 13thC--not forgetting that
Rupin was himself using a late 14th/early 15thC Chronicle written by a
Moissac abbot), its evolving relation with Toulouse on the one hand, and
Cahors on the other (adjacent Bishoprics with claims and connections on
Moissac at different times), its long dance with Cluny over monastic and
local/regional (and internal) controls, its connections with Episcopal
districts and communities westward to Spain, and on and on.
L
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From: Leah Rutchick <[log in to unmask]>
> Seems I missed a few e-mails (too many)--Rupin is of course a primary
(19th
C) source for Moissac history,
as a 19th c. author, he would be a "primary source" only for events in the
19th c. history of the place which he, personally, witnessed (e.g., the
attempt to run the train through the cloister).
he's a secondary (or tertiary, or worse) source for the medieval history of
the abbey.
>but with a grain of salt.
well, most 19th c. secondary sources require a good quantity of salt near to
hand for proper savoring.
>If you happen to have the page # in Rupin. . .
i've made inquiries and will pass on any info i acquire.
however, the reference to the primary source ("Biblioth. Cluniac. ad lib,II,
p. 165") is dispositive here, seems to me.
unless we're interested in 19th c. historiography.
btw, even though i believe i once had (and sold) a copy of it, i'm having
trouble figuring out the exact title of this "Bibliothèque Cluniac." --can
someone give me a hand with it?
c
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