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I think I'm following the trend of this thread. Have I got this right: T(a,x) is related to but not equal to P(a,x) when watching Santa Claus being crucified in shop window in a staging of Parsifal being performed in an unknown language during sex? Which is why it is advisable to eschew full rhyme. Best Dave 2009/5/12 Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]> > Martin thanks enjoyed that nyc crucified santa !sums it up > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Martin Walker > Sent: 12 May 2009 15:26 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Theoretically ... (corrected, what was I thinking) > > It's an urban legend, Hal, which my partner is fond of telling, eventually > I > checked it out - the only crucified Santa was seen in NYC, causing > considerable outrage - you can see it here: > http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/cross.asp > Du siehst mein Sohn, zum Raum wird hier die Zeit. - Gurnemanz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Halvard Johnson > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: Theoretically ... (corrected, what was I thinking) > > > Reminds me of the (possibly apocryphal) story about the Ginza > store not long after VJ-Day trying to get US culture right in a > store window by featuring a Santa Claus nailed to a cross. > > As urban legends (if it is so) go, this is right up there with the > one about the banner strung across the Ginza just after the > MacArthur-Truman blow-up and when MacArthur drew a bead > on the Oval Office himself: We Pray for MacArthur's Erection. > > Hal > > "My experience is what I agree to attend to." > --William James > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > [log in to unmask] > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Martin Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Last time I saw Parsifal there was nobody on a cross - sounds like an > > interesting interpretation...One could have Kundry hanging naked on the > > cross all the way through, while Parsifal carries his monster albatross > (or > > is it a swan? the swans are reserved for the dons) on his back, sorta > > neo-existentialist. The Grail knights all wear fishnet stockings, and > > Amfortas is heavily into S&M. Probably been done - I've seen versions > with > > two each of Parsifal & Kundry, with Parsifal changing sex in the middle > of > > the 2nd act, etc, but they can't make it weirder than it already is. It > > certainly weirded out Nietzsche, who claimed he preferred Carmen - > liar... > > mj > > Wenn vollkommene Herrschaft über seinen Gegenstand die freie kunstreiche > > Ausbildung desselben möglich macht, so können doch die künstlichen > > Schraubengänge der Polemik nicht die Form der Philosophie sein. > > If perfect mastery of one's subject makes its free, artistic development > > possible, then the merely artificial turns of the polemical screw cannot > be > > the form of philosophy. > > F.W.J. Schelling > > > > > > No one does. I was making a desperate effort at a comparison. Oh > > well. We have titling here too, sub- and sur-. But way back when if > > you didn't know the basic libretto outlines, it could be a long day. > > Easter Sunday 1960 I sat through *Parsifal* without knowing squat about > > what was going on. Who was on the cross again?.... > > > > k > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/12/09 > 06:22:00 > -- David Bircumshaw "Nothing can be done in the face of ordinary unhappiness" - PP Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk