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Manning: (who am I addressing?) Your remark about Schumacher's mediocre film prompted the following reflection: While bad movies and good movies can both praise certain moral values and condemn others, good ones (in the sense of aesthetically well done) tend to inspire more conviction while bad ones are much easier to dismiss. e.g., part of what makes Kubrick's version of A Clockwork Orange such a convincing condemnation of totalitarian states robbing the free will from its citizens is because it is so well done cinematically. Even great philosophy must also be put well to inspire belief (look how far a scintillating style has taken Nietzsche). Maybe that is the solution to Paisley Livingston's question about paraphrasing what a film has to say philosophically. What you lose in the process is how it is said (cinematically speaking), and that has a lot to do with the ability of a film to help create a more meaningful life for us viewers by inspiring more conviction in the values that it champions... Dan ________________________________________ ________________________________________ * * Film-Philosophy salon After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to. To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon. * Film-Philosophy online: http://www.film-philosophy.com Contact: [log in to unmask] **