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Reading it in a bit more detail, I understand that it comes from the fact that the oral ID is not based on minimal risk.  The logic appears to be as follows:



1.    You should use minimal risk to derive ID.

2.    However, if a guideline has already been produced for another UK regulatory regime, and this is higher than the contam land ID based on min. risk, then you use the higher value as it would be disproportionate to use the lower one.

3.    This is the case for As oral ID.

4.    However, the inhal ID is based on min. risk.

5.    If you mix (ie integrate) the non-min. risk and the min. risk approaches, the non-min risk portion drags the SGV back down (disproportionately); thereby going against the ethos of item 2 above.

6.    Therefore, the SGV is based on the oral pathway and the inhal pathway is ignored.

7.    This is deemed to be OK because the contribution to intake by inhal is quite small.





Regards,

Kevin Privett.



Dr Kevin Privett

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Subject: Re: New Soil Guideline Values - Arsenic, Nickel......



Will,



I am not sure arsenic has been derived that way in the model.  It says

on page four that SGV based on comparison of oral and dermal exposure

routes with the oral ID only.  Therefore, by looking at the oral HCV

only you get 32.4mg/kg for residential (I assume rounded down by the EA

to 32mg/kg).



Of more interest maybe is the justification for not using the inhalation

HCV (such as the killer dust pathway), based on the low exposure

contribution (<0.1%), even though the risk when taking account

inhalation tox is about 28%.  This could be used for contaminants where

inhalation is not  a  primary pathway and inhalation effects not of

primary concern



Nickel SGV for example has not been done this way.  It has a low

combined contribution for inhalation, but the effects of inhalation are

separate to other pathways and therefore treated independently.



Interesting times :)



Paul





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The EA have made some strange decisions...



To replicate the values, the arsenic SGV is based on comparison of oral,

dermal and inhalation exposure with the oral ID (NOT inhalation ID).



For nickel, it's more confusing. Residential and commercial SGV are

based on comparison of inhalation exposure with inhalation TDI ONLY.

Allotments bsaed on comparison of oral, dermal and inhalation exposure

against oral TDI ONLY.



Phew.





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I don't like to mention this, but I cannot replicate these values with

the data given in the SGV reports.





Regards,

Kevin Privett.



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New values with old values in brackets



Arsenic:

Res: 32 (20)

Res w/o PU: No value (20)

Allot: 43 (20)

Com: 640 (500)



Nickel:

Res: 130 (50)

Res w/o PU: No value (75)

Allot: 230 (50)

Com: 1,800 (5,000)



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