Reading it in a bit more detail, I understand that it comes from the fact that the oral ID is not based on minimal risk. The logic appears to be as follows: 1. You should use minimal risk to derive ID. 2. However, if a guideline has already been produced for another UK regulatory regime, and this is higher than the contam land ID based on min. risk, then you use the higher value as it would be disproportionate to use the lower one. 3. This is the case for As oral ID. 4. However, the inhal ID is based on min. risk. 5. If you mix (ie integrate) the non-min. risk and the min. risk approaches, the non-min risk portion drags the SGV back down (disproportionately); thereby going against the ethos of item 2 above. 6. Therefore, the SGV is based on the oral pathway and the inhal pathway is ignored. 7. This is deemed to be OK because the contribution to intake by inhal is quite small. Regards, Kevin Privett. Dr Kevin Privett Geo-Environmental Associate Hydrock Over Court Barns, Over Lane, Almondsbury, Bristol BS32 4DF Tel:+44 (0)1454 619 533 Fax:+44 (0)1454 614125 Cell phone: +44 (0)7799 430870 Email: [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Contaminated Land Management Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Quimby Sent: 13 May 2009 09:45 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: New Soil Guideline Values - Arsenic, Nickel...... Will, I am not sure arsenic has been derived that way in the model. It says on page four that SGV based on comparison of oral and dermal exposure routes with the oral ID only. Therefore, by looking at the oral HCV only you get 32.4mg/kg for residential (I assume rounded down by the EA to 32mg/kg). Of more interest maybe is the justification for not using the inhalation HCV (such as the killer dust pathway), based on the low exposure contribution (<0.1%), even though the risk when taking account inhalation tox is about 28%. This could be used for contaminants where inhalation is not a primary pathway and inhalation effects not of primary concern Nickel SGV for example has not been done this way. It has a low combined contribution for inhalation, but the effects of inhalation are separate to other pathways and therefore treated independently. Interesting times :) Paul Dr Paul Quimby Senior Environmental Consultant www.thelkgroup.com thelkgroup.com | sapcalc.com | code4homes.com | invasiveplantcompany.com Carbon Neutral Company Manchester Office T: 0161 763 7200 Liverpool Office T: 0151 235 8716 Glasgow Office T: 0141 773 6269 ------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PRINTING THIS EMAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------ This e-mail and the information it contains may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for the intended addressee(s) only. 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To replicate the values, the arsenic SGV is based on comparison of oral, dermal and inhalation exposure with the oral ID (NOT inhalation ID). For nickel, it's more confusing. Residential and commercial SGV are based on comparison of inhalation exposure with inhalation TDI ONLY. Allotments bsaed on comparison of oral, dermal and inhalation exposure against oral TDI ONLY. Phew. Gareth Wills Project Manager, Communities 44-(0)117 9339 335 Think before you print -----Original Message----- From: Contaminated Land Management Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin Privett Sent: 12 May 2009 16:03 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: New Soil Guideline Values - Arsenic, Nickel...... I don't like to mention this, but I cannot replicate these values with the data given in the SGV reports. Regards, Kevin Privett. Dr Kevin Privett Geo-Environmental Associate Hydrock Over Court Barns, Over Lane, Almondsbury, Bristol BS32 4DF Tel:+44 (0)1454 619 533 Fax:+44 (0)1454 614125 Cell phone: +44 (0)7799 430870 Email: [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Contaminated Land Management Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Dainton Sent: 12 May 2009 11:01 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: New Soil Guideline Values - Arsenic, Nickel...... New values with old values in brackets Arsenic: Res: 32 (20) Res w/o PU: No value (20) Allot: 43 (20) Com: 640 (500) Nickel: Res: 130 (50) Res w/o PU: No value (75) Allot: 230 (50) Com: 1,800 (5,000) Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net ___________________________ NOTICE: This communication and any attachments ("this message") may contain confidential information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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