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well we could prescribe and section and than we might get paid a whole lot more! ________________________________ From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of CRAIG NEWNES [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 12 May 2009 21:28 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] anti-psychology/counselling/psychotherapy: a personal perspective Dialogue? O yes, £20,000 p.a. for chatting C --- On Tue, 12/5/09, alison smith <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: alison smith <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] anti-psychology/counselling/psychotherapy: a personal perspective To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 7:09 PM Suzanne, thanks for the link- it's an interesting critique and it eloquently portrays a standpoint many people would agree with. I'd think it would make a powerful point in your teaching sessions. Craig- I'm sorry but I'm not following your point. We have a system currently of mental health provision that includes clinical psychologists. Psychologists currently undergo a training programme that is, often, heavily based on individualistic theories that seek to locate distress as a disorder and locate psychology as a curative medium for that disorder. I think Suzannes suggestion is a good one; to take issue with these assumptions, broaden peoples thinking and open up critical dialogue at a point where trainees are about to take responsibility of such powerful roles. I'm confused that you seem to imply this is not good and belittle the idea. Are you saying that training sessions SHOULDN'T consist of this kind of medium for relaying arguments against psychology?? There are, of course, big arguments about the validity of psychology. There are also changes that we can all make in the system that we all engage with which, while relatively small, can work to bring about better experiences for those seeking help (and pave the way for the bigger changes). Alison ________________________________ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:47:01 +0000 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] anti-psychology/counselling/psychotherapy: a personal perspective To: [log in to unmask] Just take an ad out in Clinical Psychology Forum - or write a letter C --- On Tue, 12/5/09, Suzanne Elliott <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Suzanne Elliott <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] anti-psychology/counselling/psychotherapy: a personal perspective To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:40 AM By teaching I mean taking it to groups of trainee clinical psychologists, just incase they haven’t seen it on u-tube. I wouldn’t have seen it on u-tube unless someone had drawn my attention to it as I don’t regularly go to the U-tube website. ________________________________ From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of CRAIG NEWNES Sent: 12 May 2009 10:28 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] anti-psychology/counselling/psychotherapy: a personal perspective What do you mean by "teaching"? He's already getting to 000s people on U tube. Craig --- On Tue, 12/5/09, Suzanne Elliott <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Suzanne Elliott <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] anti-psychology/counselling/psychotherapy: a personal perspective To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:18 AM I was definitely going to approach the guy and ask him if he minded me using it in teaching, and there won't be any chance of it being stored on my work server as I'm not even allowed to open a u-tube page at work!! -----Original Message----- From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John McGowan Sent: 12 May 2009 10:08 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] anti-psychology/counselling/psychotherapy: a personal perspective Hi, This is a really interesting video. Thanks. In terms of teaching I'm guessing it might be OK to use as no-one may actually know. At our place people use images from Google etc and I'm sure they are not always copyright free. What our university have a problem with is these images being stored on their servers or electronic teaching platforms as this is seen as a clearer violation. Storing links to things is not a problem. Whatever the copyright position though in a case like this I'd be inclined to email the bloke and ask him though which would be more in the spirit of the kinds of things he's saying. It may be that he's happy for it to be out there (obviously he has posted it for anyone to look at). Thanks again John McGowan ________________________________ From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Suzanne Elliott Sent: Tue 12/05/2009 9:03 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] anti-psychology/counselling/psychotherapy: a personal perspective I was told about this link which I thought people might be interested in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yxFRwRuPZE it's a powerful critique of psychology from personal experience of being offered counselling/psychotherapy. I think I might use it for teaching. Do you think I have to ask permission? Suzanne Suzanne Elliott Clinical Psychologist Homeless Psychology Service Swithland House 352 London Road Leiceseter LE2 2PL tel: 0116 225 5600 fax: 0116 225 5601 ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK . To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator: Grant Jeffrey ([log in to unmask]) ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK . 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