Dear Shaun,
 
Many thanks. Much appreciated.
 
Yes, I think I'm prone not sufficiently to bring out the value of the rewarding experience of inclusionality, which can accumulate if encouraged in the way you describe through personal involvement. This is very evident, for example in many of the responses of students to my life, environment and people course, which often express sheer delight and relief in the discovery of a way of working and playing and understanding (i.e. learning) that brings out the natural creativity and companionship of a 'transfigural sense of self', instead of piling on the pressure of 'competitive busyness as usual'.
 
But I think it is also very important in reaching a wider community of 'non-experients' to know that this discovery can be backed up with sound evidence and intellectual sense-making, which can both challenge and withstand the challenge of what opposes it. I do find a source of great irony and dismay in my experience of peoples' lack of appreciation of the meaning and significance of what actually to my mind solves some of the deepest hitherto unresolved paradoxes whilst offering radically innovative logic, mathematics, physics, evolutionary and ecological biological understanding, educational practice, politics, theological insight, etc, of the utmost relevance to the social, psychological and environmental issues that currently face humanity. 
 
 
Warmest
 
Alan
 
 
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Dear Geisha, Alan et al,

I do feel that Geishas experience as a practitioner is paramount. Alan you put it clearly in your response-ive/refection reciprocation that

 

‘……………where the intellectual justification seems to me to become so important in revealing the logical shortcomings of objective rationality, and how these can be resolved, as explicitly as possible.’

 

I am not sure  that this will help. I tend to feel that it will be in changing practice/s exploring and playing at  discovering the practical relational dynamic that will help develop an inclusional reciprocation in the context – even if the greater or more disconnected context is non inclusional.

 

My experience has been that in my practice it is in each individual encouragement of dynamic relational inclusionality will help in its multiplicity to enable the emergence of a dynamic that will not accept anything else other than dynamic relational inclusionality.

 

Both the intellectual and emotional validity is based on practical experience not just of what we say but also what we do as self in neighbourhood and neighbourhood in self. Indeed sustaining inclusional practice is never easy ….but encouraging others to develop their own inclusional practice in the context of an emergent dynamic inclusional relationship will help both you/self and neighbourhood to self sustain and direct .

 

When this occurs the flow of energies within those loving and respectful relationships is a joyful learning experience ( a discovery) for all , and its lack of propositional objective rationality a bonus. The experience of this is always more challenging and uncertain than intellectualising abstracting and rationalising head and heart (via the written word) out of context.

 

Robyn I cannot fully comprehend the nature of responsive responsibility without pondering the differences that exists ( if any)  between the authenticity of the individual and the professional – in context. My feeling is that it does imply

‘ professional distance/power in some ways’ maybe for the reasons of self protection within a particular context but maybe also at the cost of the authentic self.

 

Shaun

 

 

 

 

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Dear Geisha,

 

Yes, you keep raising very significant issues regarding the difficulty of sustaining 'inclusional practice' in a non-inclusional culture, where the need to protect the implicit vulnerability of 'receptive-responsive reciprocity' from abuse becomes paramount. There is then a very real sense of being forced up against, and hence appearing to contradict, the attitude that contradicts the 'living neighbourhood' of 'self'. This is where the intellectual justification seems to me to become so important in revealing the logical shortcomings of objective rationality, and how these can be resolved, as explicitly as possible. My hope is that as more of us become adept at this, and recognise the intellectual as well as emotional validity of what we are saying, the less we will individually find ourselves cornered by those who are very sure of their rationalistic arguments for no good reason.

 

Warmest

 

Alan

  

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Dear Robyn and all, sorry I have been away because of my father illness, he is at the hospital wright now. However, I find this discussion very interesting.I feel that though one might have the feeling of reciprocity it is not always possible to practice it. It depends of many factors related to interaction and conditions. At classroom it is even more difficult. It means to start a new style  and a new class clima . Sometimes students might see this, specially at lower school levels ,as a  sample of weekness ??? How could I say that, might be that because of the school scenary of power to start to practice this values might put you in a ¨lower position¨.In addition one is ¨human¨ .There is selfishness somewhere. How to combine reciprocity with existing values is the art. But at least to start is the challenging. 

 







 

 


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Alan, my replying spontaneously and in haste may mean I have missed something and will not fully explore this (I'm off to work in a mo) but here goes.  My impression is that the two things 'I as a living contradiction' (being the nucleus of contradiction in this instant) is speaking about something different to 'I as the nucleus of reciprocity'.  Fo me both of these things are true at the same time.  I as a living contradiction describes the complexity of my values as I live them.  My most strongly held values may not serve me well in every situation when another value needs to come to the fore.  For example, I hold alongsideness, which for me includes connectedness, respect, acceptance of difference, self determination, life as process of becoming, encouragement, to all be important in how I act.  These spell out reciprocity but in practice it is not always enough and I found another value I now call responsive responsibility to also need to be in place - implies professional distance/power in some ways.  Here lies me as a living contradiction.  Reciprocity is a core for me but within reciprocity I need to balance aspects of it to continue holding together (be true to) the inevitable tensions for me living in community.  Must go late for work!

Robyn

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Dear Jack,

 

Great to see that my comments have helped.

 

Could I just suggest that it would be better to cite Rayner & Jarvilehto (2008) instead of Rayner (2009) for that description of I as 'a unique confluence of dynamic relationships'?

 

The reference is as follows:

 

Rayner, A. & Jarvilehto, T (2008). From Dichotomy to Inclusionality: A Transformational Understanding of Organism-Environment Relationships and the Evolution of Human Consciousness. Transfigural Mathematics 1 (2), 67-82.

 

 

Incidentally, I do find it fascinating how in dialectics the 'I' is a 'nucleus of contradiction' whereas in transfigural inclusionality it is the nucleus of reciprocity (i.e. reciprocal influence of each in the other). In other words, in dialectics the 'I' is the 'excluded middle', whereas in inclusionality the 'I' is the 'included middle'. This is rather beautifully illustrated by the transfigural symmetry of desmids (which corresponds closely with that of the human brain), where the 'nucleus' is literally in the 'isthmus' connecting two 'semi-cells', i.e. a 'nucleus of reciprocity'. Do have a look at Lere's piece on Transfigural Biology in the most recent issue of Transfigural Mathematics (downloadable from www.inclusional-research.org).

 

I think it might be great for you/us to bring out this distinction and relationship between dialectics and inclusionality one of these days, which arises from the dichotomous definition of one and other in dialectics. In many ways, TI represents dialectics' very own 'dynamic synthesis'. If dialectitions could only 'get this' instead of regarding inclusionality as 'opposition', it might help us make very considerable philosophical inroads.

 

Maybe we could write a piece together actually entitled 'From Dialectics to Inclusionality - transfiguring the 'nucleus of contradiction' into the 'nucleus of reciprocity'. ?

 

 

 

Love

 

Alan

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Dear Jack,

 

I thought I'd just follow up on the comment I made to the list yesterday regarding your s-step paper.

 

The more I think about it, the more key to the epistemological transformation it is to have an adequate perception of the nature of 'the self being studied'. It is the inadequate, narrowed down, perception of self as an independent subject/object that is at the root of the mistake made by the predominant disciplines approach. It is this narrowing down of 'self' that leads to neglect of the source of its values in the receptive space of natural energy flow. By the same token, it is the opening up ('transfiguration') of self to its dynamic inclusion of and in its natural neighbourhood that enables the development of receptive-reflective-responsive educational practice.

 

I feel that something along the lines of what I have just written could strengthen what is already a very strong presentation.

 

I'm attaching the paper with Timo, published in 'Transfigural Mathematics', which, in addition to the 'Vertex-vortex' I circulated yesterday, might provide some helpful supporting quotes. e.g.:

 

1. "The self/I cannot therefore be solely or soulfully located in any local parts of the individual, in his head or hemispheres of the brain, as proposed by mainstream cognitive science (see e.g. Baars, 2002). The idea of the localization of the self in the brain or parts of the brain, is based on the objective misconception of a definitive subject/agent of conscious action. The self is not the body, brain or a neuron, but a person, who cannot be defined on the basis of the structure of his or her brain, but can only be recognized locally as a pivotal place in a communion of social and spatial relations. The ‘I’ is both somewhere locally embodied and everywhere non-locally around. The I/self is not a discrete body; it is a unique confluence of dynamic relationships. The thinking and conscious subject is not purely a piece of flesh, but a set of relations and processes distinct but not discrete from all other personalities in his or her specific co-creative role."

 

2. "When we allow our selves to be local-non-local dynamic expressions of, not locally definable exceptions from All Nature, we can at last relax our fearful sense of sole responsibility for our actions and participate co-creatively to sustain harmonious evolutionary flow. ‘Self-identity’ is transfigured from that of an autonomous ‘I alone’, an independent, discretely bounded individual, to a complex inner-outer, local-non-local dynamic neighbourhood of one including all and all including one, like a river stream that both shapes and is shaped by its catchment. The ‘ghost in the machine’ cruelly imprisoned by objective definition expands everywhere. Receptive influence permeates All."

 

 

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

 

Love

 

Alan

 


 

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