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I wasn't being pointlessly rude. I would have hoped that retailing gossip in place of critical argument might offend you, too. Enough. Mark At 07:50 AM 4/9/2009, you wrote: >I will regret that very much Fred - I enjoy reading & trying to understand >your poems, and I think it is good when someone - anyone - questions others' >assumptions, throws spanners in the works, whatever. (The fact that I don't >quite agree with your positions is of minor importance. I think the whole >question of "form & content" is made invidious by the metaphor involved - >since language functions rather differently than that metaphor implies - >and, perhaps, in different ways at different times for different folks). >I think Mark, not for the first time, was being pointlessly rude - and, in a >way, sexist, since if you were actually "afflicted" by the kind of >disadvantage he suggested you might be very offended (as you clearly were >not). But guys in the heat of battle sometimes forget their manners >(sigh)... >Best - avec mes sentiments amicaux >Martin > >Wenn die ganze Zivilisation zum Teufel ginge - ich würde es nicht bedauern; >nur um die Musik tät' es mir leid. >Leo Tolstoy >----- Original Message ----- >From: Frederick Pollack >To: [log in to unmask] >Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:59 AM >Subject: Re: Dead ends > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Weiss" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:37 PM >Subject: Re: Dead ends > > > > You truly are a vile little prick. > > > > Cuckolded? What year is this, 1900? > > > > >Now, now. No call for that. Historical fact, despite the wording. >Happened in fall '55, time of Ginsberg's reading in San Francisco. And >Rexroth was very upset by it - so much so that he made the East Coast Beats, >whom he had previously welcomed, very uncomfortable. American cultural >history might have been very different otherwise. --- Now I think I'll bow >out of this list for a while. Months or more. Before I'm kicked out for >fomenting controversy and bad feeling (which, by the way, I didn't >deliberately do.) I'll lurk - sometimes I pick up interesting news, >recommendations - but I have backchannel relationships with the three or >four people on it I actually like. These controversies may be interesting >in themselves but for me they're pointless. "Theory" of any sort is of >little interest to me and provides no guidance for my work. Which, for me, >is the main thing. And which is better than the vast majority of either >current mainstream or academic-avant-garde poetry. And which, though I >myself will undoubtedly die unknown, will be discovered - will express and >interpret this era - when you and your insults are footnotes.