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Yes, you have it right.

If you currently have events modeled their durations are 0. With the variable epoch model the durations become the trial specific RTs. Just make sure you are consistent between whether you are specifying time in TRs or seconds.

Jason

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Esther Fujiwara <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
For my understanding, in SPM would a variable epoch model be implemented by using the respective RTs as durations for single events, instead of 0s? Or is there more to it?

Esther

Jason Steffener wrote:
The variable epoch model uses the RT from each trial; therefore, it is able to capture trial specific variance. The impulse with HRF + derivatives may capture some of the variance due to RTs but it essentially takes the average RT over all trials for this condition. And as Chris points out there may be some RTs where the impulse model can in no way accuratly account for.

I also feel that the HRF + derivatives should be used to capture hemodynamic variations and not neural variations. Otherwise you make it very difficult to tease about which is which.

Jason.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Chris Watson <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

   I think it would depend on the shape of your HRF. The variable epoch
   model has boxcars that are as long as the RT,. If you used an
   impulse model, convolved with the canonical hemodynamic response,
   even adding the dispersion derivative might not capture the signal
   for long RT's (as the shape of the HRF in the variable epoch model
   will be quite different from the canonical). E.g. in one of our
   tasks, we see RT's of up to 7000ms. I don't think an impulse model
   even with both derivatives would do nearly as well as an epoch model.


   Dorian P. wrote:

       Dear all,

       Thinking about a previous discussion on the list, we said that
       reaction time effects are better captured by a variable epoch
       durations, which adapts to reaction time length.
       In a couple of papers was shown that a variable epoch aproach is
       better than parametric modulations.

       http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6WNP-4T77G33-4/2/cc5ef4a8e9fbff5b4a99bd5f05663bf9
       http://www.columbia.edu/cu/psychology/tor/Posters/grinband_HBM06.pdf

       But isn't this the same as adding a dispersion derivative, which
       would
       convolve a longer HRF automatically for RTs and capture that signal
       the same way as a variable epoch approach?

       Best regards.
       Dorian.