Dear Keith, Dear All,
 
Gavin Smith's assumption that -ensis refers specifically to religious communities is just an echo of his confident assertion that -ingas refers to religious communities. I wish I was one-half as certain about anything as he is about everything.
 
One aspect of this certainty seems to have gone without comment - the idea that the -ingas names we happen to know about represent a more or less complete set of these names as they were in the seventh-century, and that they were not produced in the ordinary course of language like other names, but instead were deliberate top-down coinages for settlements or districts. He's quite explicit about this - 'names were inspired (or allocated) by a higher power external to the immediate local community' (p73), and it is clear that 'external' here doesn't mean 'in the bailiff's hall down the road', as it does in the case of Suttons or Prestons: the inspiration or allocation is supposed to have taken place at the level of kingdoms or dioceses. In other words, Frithuwald sat one day in a tent by the Thames saying 'So we'll call this one Dorcingas, and this one Godhelmingas, and this one Getingas - does that give us a full set of fourteen? - good man. Now send a messenger to these wretched peasants, wherever they are, and tell them that's what they're going to call themselves in the future, on pain of my displeasure. OK?'.
 
I find it hard to believe. Is there evidence for kings or bishops elsewhere in the Middle Ages choosing place-names on this scale?
 
Jeremy Harte


From: The English Place-Name List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Keith Briggs
Sent: 12 March 2009 10:32
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Subject: -iensis

On page 85 of Nomina 31 (2008), Gavin Smith writes:

... ecclesiastical Latin -(i)ensis, `religious community'/`congregation', as used of early Church communities.  Thus we find Malmsbury [sic] Abbey recorded as Mailbubiensis aecclesia ...

Isn't -iensis a general way of forming an adjective of location, with nothing particularly churchy about it?

Keith


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