Some of us have already been discussing that possibility.
-- Herbert
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Bernhard Rupp wrote:
> All right: How about then putting in a NIH challenge grant (due April 27)
> for image archiving? Who is in?
>
> BR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerard Bricogne [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:12 PM
> To: Bernhard Rupp
> Cc: 'Gerard Bricogne'; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] images
>
> Dear Bernhard,
>
> Re-reading your previous message, I can see that I did indeed misread
> it, and I apologise for that. Perhaps it was the expression "put to rest" in
> relation to a topic where so much action is needed that made me charge in
> the wrong direction.
>
> Although this "thread" is now attracting additional suggestions about
> what else it might be a good thing to archive, this should not result in a
> dilution of the urgency of this particular item. As for the argument that
> any new task can only be done if there is extra money, then isn't this the
> ideal time to argue that we need a "PDB stimulus package"? After all, the
> PDB is a bank ... .
>
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Gerard.
>
> --
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:14:29PM -0700, Bernhard Rupp wrote:
>> Maybe I was misunderstood. There is no doubt in my opinion and that of
> those
>> that have put effort into image conservation issues years ago that
>> keeping and archiving the images is more than desirable, for precisely
>> the reasons mentioned.
>>
>> Nail my nauseating spell checker for the nausea that may have caused you.
>>
>> Cheers, BR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Gerard
>> Bricogne
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:03 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] images
>>
>> Dear Bernhard,
>>
>> I suppose you meant "ad nauseam" ;-) .
>>
>> In any case, what is the use of discussions and recommendations that
>> are not followed by action, and only result in making their contributors
>> themselves nauseated to the point of wanting to "put this to rest"?
>>
>> As Ethan has nicely stated in his reply to Garib's double-check of
>> whether we do need images, this matter should NOT be put to rest: it
> should
>> be dealt with. As was argued at the end of the paper by Joosten, Womack et
>> al. (Acta Cryst. D65, 176-185), the main advantage of depositing images
>> would be that it would enable and stimulate the further developement and
>> testing of image integration and data processing software, to the same
>> degree that the deposition of structure factors has stimulated progress
> and
>> testing for structure refinement software.
>>
>> Far from a boring issue only capable of giving headaches to Standards
>> Committee members, this is a vital issue: with each undeposited set of
>> images that contributed in one way or another to the determination or
>> refinement of a deposited structure, there disappears an opportunity to
> test
>> improvements in methods and software that would be likely to improve that
>> deposited entry (and most others) at a future stage. I think we need to
> take
>> a long view on this, and abandon the picture of the PDB as a static
> archive
>> of frozen results: instead, it should be seen as a repository of what is
>> required not only to validate/authenticate the deposited models, but to
> feed
>> the continued improvement of the methods used - and hence, at the next
>> iteration, the constant revision and improvement of those very models. In
>> what way can this topic be a source of nausea?
>>
>>
>> With best wishes,
>>
>> Gerard.
>>
>> --
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:16:42AM -0700, Bernhard Rupp wrote:
>>> As Herb will attest, the need for keeping images and the various reasons
>>> for it have been discussed ad nauseum and agreed upon in various imgCIF
>>> meetings - I am sure Herb or Andy Howard can provide links to the
>>> documents/recommendations, to put this to rest.
>>>
>>> Best, BR
>>>
>>> Past ACA Data Standards Committee serf
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Kay
>>> Diederichs
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:02 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] images
>>
>> --
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