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of course there are . . . his films begin with credits, they use shot counter-shot, they use a 1:1.33 aspect ratio . . . all of these are purely conventional we really gotta stop thinking about conventions as one way or another being to be avoided . . . they are inevitable as the ground of all communication mike -----Original Message----- From: Film-Philosophy Salon [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alan Fair Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:30 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: FILM-PHILOSOPHY convention cliche Hi all, on the question of cliche and convention. There are no cliches in Howard Hawks' films of the 30s and 40s. peace alan A. Fair IDS Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University's email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer * * Film-Philosophy salon After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to. To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon. * Film-Philosophy online: http://www.film-philosophy.com Contact: [log in to unmask] ** * * Film-Philosophy salon After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to. To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon. * Film-Philosophy online: http://www.film-philosophy.com Contact: [log in to unmask] **