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It nay be I thought their was general thread on home detox prior to admission to a TC and that the lack of such was hampering admissions ----- Original Message ----- From: Rowdy Yates [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 09/01/2009 20:05 GMT To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [EFTC] Methadone residents study Anthony Apologies. It was me I think that used SR as shorthand for senior residents. CPNs are community psychiatric nurses. To be honest I still don't understand Stewart's contribution. We were talking I thought, about detoxing TC residents in-house. I remarked that it was unfortunate that TCs should have to consider doing this themselves (although there may actually be benefits as Karen remarked) because the health services were not offering an adequate service. I don't quite see how that led to CPNs holding stocks of methadone for people who are detoxing at home?? Rowdy Yates Senior Research Fellow Scottish Addiction Studies Dept. of Applied Social Science University of Stirling Scotland T: +44 (0) 1786-467737 F: +44 (0) 1786-466299 W: http://www.dass.stir.ac.uk/sections/showsection.php?id=4 (home) W: http://www.drugslibrary.stir.ac.uk/ (online library) ________________________________________ From: Therapeutic Communities [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anthony Slater [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 09 January 2009 18:51 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [EFTC] Methadone residents study Stewart, This might sound like a silly question, but what are "SR or staff, and cpns"? Sorry to ask on the list about this, but I live in Norway and don't understand the terminology. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Therapeutic Communities [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stewart Dickson Sent: 9. januar 2009 18:26 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [EFTC] Methadone residents study I was talking about detox in the wider community and from the point of view of cpns working inthe field ----- Original Message ----- From: Rowdy Yates [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 09/01/2009 15:08 GMT To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [EFTC] Methadone residents study Stewart I'm glad you see their point because I don't!!!! I don't see where home visits comes into it. surely if someone was undertaking a detox as a resident of a TC their methadone would be collected from the pharmacy in the normal way (except, presumably, the individual would be accompanied by SR or staff) and then stored under secure conditions within the TC and administrated by staff. Where do home visits come in? Rowdy Yates Senior Research Fellow Scottish Addiction Studies Dept. of Applied Social Science University of Stirling Scotland T: +44 (0) 1786-467737 F: +44 (0) 1786-466299 W: http://www.dass.stir.ac.uk/sections/showsection.php?id=4 (home) W: http://www.drugslibrary.stir.ac.uk/ (online library) ________________________________________ From: Therapeutic Communities [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stewart Dickson/Social Work/Abdnshire [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 09 January 2009 14:26 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [EFTC] Methadone residents study hi I've followed the discussion with interest as we have problems with waiting times to access programmes and detox . I raised the issue with health colleges who simplified the issues by saying it would man community staff carrying drugs on their person while making home visits and if it was 5 or 6 a day they would be potential targets. I can see their point but I don't think its the whole picture and agree with the view of the politics of service ownership Stewart Dickson Team Manager Criminal Justice Addictions Team 01779499960 ************************************************************************************ This e-mail may contain privileged information intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please accept our apologies and notify the sender, deleting the e-mail afterwards. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the e-mail's author and do not necessarily represent those of Aberdeenshire Council. www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk ************************************************************************************ -- Academic Excellence at the Heart of Scotland. 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