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Sounds fairly convincing, Dom. My knowledge of the situation's not as deep as yours and Mark's. Just now wondering if the partitions in any places of the world since WWI have been workable and helpful to the folk partitioned from one another, and usually, I think, from so many folk who are culturally/languagely closest to them. Was there an alternative in these instances? Did the people partitioned have any opp to voice their opinions with authority? Could that have been effected in those instant cases? Best, Judy 2009/1/20 Dominic Fox <[log in to unmask]> > "Right to exist" is a red herring, as is - in its own way - the "how many > states?" question. > > One of the things I admired about Peter Hallward's recent letter to the > Guardian about the Gaza offensive was its statement that "Israel must lose" > - not merely "Israel must not succeed". The difference is the > acknowledgement that Israel does indeed have something to lose, and must be > made to accept that loss. A corollary is that Israel must be made to > separate the question of its own existence (the persistence of its identity) > from that of the loss that it faces. Israel must be made to recognise that > it can lose and still exist; its government and military must cease to act > as if its very existence depends on never losing. This requires creativity, > acceptance of risk; the invention of a new way of being in the truth. > > Dominic >