Hi Ali Jan,
Of course I may be wrong but the impression I get sometimes (not always by
any means) is that people running services for BME tend to exclude refugees
and asylum seekers ('unwittingly' may be) usually on the basis that 'they'
require 'different type' of service. There are no studies that I know of!
It is often just the language used - the 'unwitting' thing. This is not an
assertion just a view for discussion - no offence meant at all; I just feel
that we ('BME people' for want of a better term) need to look at ourselves
too and what we make of labels given and/or taken.
Suman
Suman Fernando
<http://www.sumanfernando.com>
Hon. Senior Lecturer in Mental Health
European Centre for Migration & Social Care (MASC)
University of Kent at Canterbury, Kent CT2 7LZ
Visiting Professor in the Department of Applied Social Sciences
London Metropolitan University
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From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the UK
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Sent: 28 January 2009 09:04
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Subject: Re: probably us.......RE: A Friday afternoon question! on BME
definition
Hi Suman
Can you elaborate on your point "The fact (?) that too often BME people tend
to see refugees as 'other' is a problem (of 'racism?) among BME people." I
was unaware that "BME people" created the labels, classifications or
monitoring mechanisms that frequently categorise them and "others", and
certainly I cannot recall any studies that may conclude the assertion that
you make.
Ali Jan
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From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the UK
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Sent: 28 January 2009 08:40
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Subject: Re: probably us.......RE: A Friday afternoon question! on BME
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totally agree!
Jane Fountain
Professor of Substance Use Research
International School for Communities, Rights and Inclusion (ISCRI)
University of Central Lancashire
Preston PR1 2HE
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From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the UK
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Sent: 23 January 2009 17:39
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Subject: Re: probably us.......RE: A Friday afternoon question! on BME
definition
Surely refugees and asylum seekers are included within BME categories? The
fact (?) that too often BME people tend to see refugees as 'other' is a
problem (of 'racism?) among BME people.
Suman
Suman Fernando
<http://www.sumanfernando.com>
Hon. Senior Lecturer in Mental Health
European Centre for Migration & Social Care (MASC)
University of Kent at Canterbury, Kent CT2 7LZ
Visiting Professor in the Department of Applied Social Sciences
London Metropolitan University
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From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the UK
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Sent: 23 January 2009 16:53
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Subject: Re: probably us.......RE: A Friday afternoon question! on BME
definition
This is interesting. Many organisations involved with BME (or BAME!) groups
also work with Refugee and Asylum groups, so I'm wondering where the R comes
in? i.e. BMER.
Sarah Toule
Cancer Equality & The Prostate Cancer Charity
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From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the UK
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Sent: 23 January 2009 16:06
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Subject: probably us.......RE: A Friday afternoon question! on BME
definition
Probably from us - the Centre for Ethnicity and Health (now part of the
International School for Communities, Rights and Inclusion) , University of
Central Lancashire - and you remembered it very well! I HATE the
abbreviation!
Our intros to reports etc always had the following:
The authors are very conscious that various terms are used to refer to the
many diverse communities in the UK. We prefer 'Black and minority ethnic
groups / communities.' This reflects that our concern is not only with
those for whom 'Black' is a political term, denoting those who identify
around a basis of skin colour distinction or who may face discrimination
because of this or their culture: 'Black and minority ethnic' also
acknowledges the diversity that exists within these communities, and
includes a wider range of those who may not consider their identity to be
'Black,' but who nevertheless constitute a distinct ethnic group.
Jane Fountain
Professor of Substance Use Research
International School for Communities, Rights and Inclusion (ISCRI)
University of Central Lancashire
Preston PR1 2HE
UK
tel: +44 (0)1772 892 780
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From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the UK
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Sent: 23 January 2009 15:46
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Subject: A Friday afternoon question! on BME definition
Hello
Can anyone help please I asked recently whether we should use BME or BAME
and the consensus was BME.
I now have a further request. I remember reading ages ago that when writing
BME in full I should write it as Black and minority ethnic communities, with
the Black having a capital B to represent all the various communities who
identify as being Black. I now can't find where I got that from. Does anyone
have a written/published definition written anywhere so I can share it with
my communications team.
Thanks
Claire
Claire Randolph, Community Development and Volunteering Manager
Asthma UK, Summit House, 70 Wilson Street, London EC2A 2DB
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