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Dear David, thanks for your response. I'm relieved you gave that clarification and hope that you would indeed be willing to engage with those with opposing views . I would like to make clear that I respect your right to take this action. However, in my view both Israel and the Palestinians have acted immorally and failed to live up to their past agreements and so it would be unfair to single out the former. The present crisis partly stems from Israeli paranoia at being shunned by the international community and having to fend for itself as itself. You can argue as much as you wish as to how rational this perspective is (and the debate proportionality and the best way to handle bobbie trapped targets) as much as you wish but you won't change the fact that if Western governments took your approach the conflict would intensify inexorably . The only thing standing in the way of a much broader war with the soon to be nuclear Iran is the prospect of President Obama's enhanced diplomacy in the region. Clive On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Not at all, Clive - the boycott is directed at academia as a whole and at > Israeli academic institutions, and I support it. Constructive engagement > with open-minded Israeli scholars is not precluded, and I am actively > engaged in that, irrespective of what happens in this particular list. > > david s > > > Although both sides of this discussion continue to resort to outdated >> and reactionary anachronisms, I feel Mr Seddon's suggested working >> group and Mr Lunat's admittance of Israeli scholars has illustrated >> the ultimate futility of a boycott. Thank you. >> >> Clive Gilbert >> >> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Ziyaad Lunat <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >>> Off course, feel free to join the dialogue. >>> Ziyaad >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, roberman sveta <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Are Israeli sociologists eligible to participate in your interesting >>>> working group or >>>> they are initially denied such a favor? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Hebrew University,Mount Scopus,webmail (http://plutomail.huji.ac.il) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Original Message ----------- >>>> From: Anthony G Dworkin <[log in to unmask]> >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:41:11 +0200 >>>> Subject: Re: list policy >>>> >>>> > good idea Mr. Seddon. I expect a superb scholarly product. Verso will >>>> > surely publish the serious scholarly papers that will come out of it. >>>> > Der >>>> > Guardian will surely review it favorably. I attach a contribution >>>> > towards >>>> > the graphic design. >>>> > >>>> > AGD >>>> > >>>> > ps, maybe you could also use the title "My Struggle" in the example >>>> of >>>> > another fruitful colleague. >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM, David Seddon <[log in to unmask]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Just before the axe on discussion falls let me suggest a working >>>> group >>>> > > on >>>> > > 'the sociology of Israel and Israeli sociology' - those interested >>>> are >>>> > > welcome to contact me on my own e mail. >>>> > > >>>> > > prof. david seddon (european sociologist) >>>> > > >>>> > > > Dear all, >>>> > > > >>>> > > > In the past few hours we have seen more off-topic messages and I >>>> > > > have >>>> > > > seen an increasing number of members leaving the list. >>>> > > > So I am sorry to inform you that I have changed the list to a >>>> > > > moderated >>>> > > > list in order to reduce these problems. I will forward messages >>>> in >>>> > > > line >>>> > > > with the purposes of the European-sociologist list to the >>>> listserv >>>> > > > for >>>> > > > distribution. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Rene Bekkers >>>> > > > Assistant Professor >>>> > > > ICS/Department of Sociology >>>> > > > Utrecht University, the Netherlands >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> ------- End of Original Message ------- >>> >>> >> > > >