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well you know they werent university educated gentlemen in our sense whatever Sally Evans http://www.poetryscotland.co.uk http://groups.msn.com/desktopsallye http://www.myspace.com/poetsallyevans ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: A fitt > One of the interesting things about Beowulf is that nobody seems to > have known about it to the early seventeenth century: the manuscript > seems to date from at least the 11th century but all that proves is > that the material it was written on dates from then. The Gawayne poem > , by contrast, does seem to have been in a vague awareness. The > earliest conjectured date for the ms's existence is its supposed > existence in 1563, Beowulf seems to have come into the world following > Spenser's cod antiquarianism, along the desire to provide antiquity > for the new English then British state. > > We know Shakespeare's history plays are in a certain sense Tudor > propaganda, but, I at least, pace Auden on Claudel, can pardon him for > writing well, but Beowulf, it's abou as good as Colin Clot's Come Home > Again. > > Best > > Dave > > 2008/11/23 Robin Hamilton <[log in to unmask]>: >> << >> keep meaning to get a version that has the original alongside the >> transcription/interpretation. >>>> >> >> Tina, >> >> You might want to consider: >> >> Beowulf: A Glossed Text >> By Michael Alexander >> Published by Penguin Classics, 1995 >> ISBN 0140433775, 9780140433777 >> 237 pages >> >> It's not quite a parallel text, but one *heavily glossed on the right >> hand >> facing page. >> >> You can get an idea of what it's like from google books, which allows you >> to >> read as far as about line 20. >> >> >> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KFlpxcQftwoC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0 >> >> There are, I think, several versions of the original text on the Web as >> well >> as various out-of-copyright translations. >> >> Best, >> >> Robin >> > > > > -- > David Bircumshaw > Website and A Chide's Alphabet > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk