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Yes, it does seem that the DDA appears to be getting forgotten in all this. It is interesting that a group of students is being selected as a result of their disability related requirements and subjected to differential treatment in the provision of their support. I will be interested to see if students ever have requests for ongoing support refused. I guess the SLC will cite lack of evidence (not meeting their criteria- the one that has not been made available to us!) from the HEI, with liability tennis ensuing. Meanwhile the "customer" will be the looser. I suppose I should shut up, otherwise we will have to deliver a continuation request after every ten hours of support for students who require BSL. Daniel ________________________________ From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask] Sent: 06 November 2008 15:32 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: 10 hour "rule" for dyslexic support I would echo this concern I am unclear at what stage the mandate of the Student Loans Company has been expanded to include determining policy and practice in Higher Education, which seems to be happening with increased frequency. I would also be very interested to know whether, as public body, they have undertaken an impact assessment of their new polices and procedures, as would be required by the DDA. James Kirby ________________________________ From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Hill Sent: 06 November 2008 15:19 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: 10 hour "rule" for dyslexic support Hi No it's not fair enough! Inevitable, perhaps (words like spineless and foolish also spring to mind) - but there's nothing 'fair' about a hopelessly uninformed bunch of bods formulating policy that may impact adversely on thousands of dyslexic students. Regards Peter Ros Lehany wrote: We raised exactly this concern at our meeting with Elaine Urquhart. She was not prepared to alter the make up of the group at this stage which is fair enough. Once the ILP is produced and we all try it then there will be a chance to give feedback and, if necessary, suggest changes that are underpinned by professional experience and research. Regards Ros Ros Lehany Chair- Association of Dyslexia Specialists in Higher Education email: [log in to unmask] Work: 0113 2193038 Mobile: 0779 149 4690 ________________________________ From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of E.Barakhta Sent: 06 November 2008 14:45 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: 10 hour "rule" for dyslexic support Andy I totally agree with you. Personally I would also feel concerned that the same people 'who drafted the NAR' are now devising the ILP. Unless these people have qualifications of Educational Psychologists or SpLD tutors I fail to see how their experience as Needs Assessors can contribute to devising an effective ILP. Kind regards Ekaterina Barakhta Senior Assessor The Access Centre Disabled Student Services (Frank Henshaw Building) The Open University Hammerwood Gate Kents Hill Milton Keynes United Kingdom MK7 6BY Tel +44 (0) 1908 655921 ________________________________ From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of A Velarde Sent: 06 November 2008 14:32 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: 10 hour "rule" for dyslexic support Hi. Technically the ILP and a LEA- Assessment of Needs should be and reflect two different processes. I appreciate that currently they look as if they are the same, particularly when there main concern is the provision of auxiliary aids and services financed by an LEA. From a Disability Office that embraces the Social Model however, an ILP and an Assessment of Needs are different. An ILP is an institutional document -with a focus on identifying and addressing organisational barriers (environmental issues). The LEA Assessment of Needs is rather an evaluation of individual efforts under the circumstances of an impairment and follows a medical model of disabilities. The first one docusses on adaptations and adjustments, the second one on auxiliary aids and services. This of course is a non PC statement. Best, Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ros Lehany <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: Re: 10 hour "rule" for dyslexic support ADSHE (Association of Dyslexia Specialists in Higher Education) are hoping to have examples of ILPs in current use uploaded to their website early next week- www.adshe.org.uk We met with Elaine Urquhart recently and she told us that '.... the ILP template is work in progress and is being devised by the people who drafted the NAR (SLC, DSA QAG, DIUS, ASASA) and will be out soon on DSA-QAG website.' She also said that ' In order to get feedback it will need to be used for a certain period of time before it can be evaluated' Best wishes Ros Ros Lehany Chair- Association of Dyslexia Specialists in Higher Education email: [log in to unmask] Work: 0113 2193038 Mobile: 0779 149 4690 -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Catherine Salisbury Sent: 06 November 2008 14:01 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: 10 hour "rule" for dyslexic support Hi carol I have an Ilp that I use as a freelance tutor- I have just revamped it to be in line with the guidelines (I hope!) Would you like to see a copy of it off-list? Cathy On 6 Nov 2008, at 13:09, "E.Barakhta" <[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Carol > > My assumption is that the ILP would look like Idividual Education Plan > that is devised for children with Special Needs at school. > > Kind regards > > > Ekaterina Barakhta > Senior Assessor >> The Access Centre >> Disabled Student Services (Frank Henshaw Building) The Open >> University Hammerwood Gate Kents Hill Milton Keynes United Kingdom >> MK7 6BY >> Tel +44 (0) 1908 655921 >> >> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol Thomas > Sent: 06 November 2008 13:06 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: 10 hour "rule" for dyslexic support > > As the manager of the Learning Support Service responsible for > supporting the learning and teaching of students with SpLDs I would > personally like to thank everyone on the list for their contribution. > Without this list (and several other disability lists) I would be > unaware of the changes. I feel that I should have been informed of > this formally - but I realise these formal communications may not be > delivered to the relevant person in each HEI. > > I still feel that I do not know what the ILP should look like - and > have not seen a standard template. Is there one available? The only > document I have formally seen so far seen are linked to assessment > centres (and initial student assessment) not items relevant to study > skills providers and a ten hour checklist/ progress monitor. Please > let me know if I have missed this template. > > If anyone in the HEI sector has developed an ILP template and would be > willing to share this please could you contact me. > > Regards > Carol > > > > Carol Thomas, Head of Learning Support Services Learning and Teaching > Institute University of Chester Parkgate Road Chester, CH1 4BJ > (01244) 513311 > [log in to unmask] > > --------------------------------- > The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an > exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland > (SC 038302). --------------------------------- The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland (SC 038302). -- Peter J Hill Tel: 01905 391 547 Mobile: 07751 792711 Email: [log in to unmask] ----------------------------------- www.study-pro.com Literacy, numeracy, dyslexia and study-skills resources. -----------------------------------