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I'm also interested in how we can support students using symbols in linguistics too. Any ideas? -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Emma Rowlett Sent: 05 November 2008 11:25 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Jaws When it comes to maths this is something that has been discussed in the working group I helped set up -the AccessMSOR Working Group - which looks at supporting visually impaired students in mathematics based subjects. If anyone is interested in joining what is essentially just a mailing list at this point then email my husband [log in to unmask] Thanks, Emma On 05/11/2008, E.A. Draffan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > This has been a long standing problem as we all know but options are being > developed and it may be useful to look at the Infty Project with OCR and a > Reader http://www.inftyproject.org/en/index.html > > > Best wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Learning Societies Lab, > ECS, University of Southampton, > Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 > http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk > http://www.emptech.info > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter J Halls > Sent: 05 November 2008 07:08 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Jaws > > John, > > if the document contains significant equations or other mathematical > material, the source is most likely to be TeX, or one of its derivatives, > rather > than Word / OpenOffice Writer ... and, in such cases, there can be no .doc > or > .rtf format. In this case, PDF is pretty much the only (nearly) accessible > format available. So far as I can see, we are a long way from achieving > accessible maths. > > Peter > > John Conway wrote: > > Well said. > > > > even truly accessible PDF are inaccessible to dyslexics who cannot change > font face or colour schemes! One such student has just had to have a reader > in an exam solely because the document supplied for use during the exam was > only available as a PDF image and so she could not read it. > > > > surely it should be obligatory to supply the Word or RTF version???? > > > > > > Dr John S Conway BSc PhD FGS FRGS FHEA MNADP > > Director, MSc International Rural Development > > Director, BSc Countryside Management > > Chair, Research Committee > > Principal Lecturer : Soil Science > > Disability Officer > > Royal Agricultural college, Cirencester, Glos GL7 6JS > > 01285 652531 fax 01285 650219 > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. on > behalf of Silver, Liz > > Sent: Tue 04/11/2008 14:07 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Jaws > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Following the replies you have already received, there are a couple of > major factors being overlooked. First of all, even if the alternative > technology such as Thunder can be loaded onto a memory stick, not all Jaws > users will want to be having to use technology which is not as useful or > flexible as Jaws, and will not want to have to learn how to use this new > software. Secondly, even with a PDF file which is readable using Jaws, they > are still a pain in all sorts of places as it is really difficult to > actually search say for a specific word in the document and even if you can > get over that hurdle, there is then no way of actually marking what you have > found or adding any notes for future reference. Speaking as a Jaws user, as > might be obvious, I think When told that something is only available in PDF > the response should always be that it is required in Word or RTF etc and > this is a reasonable adjustment and just having to cope with a PDF version > is not acceptable. Rant ove > r! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Liz > > > > Liz Silver > > Disability Officer > > Student Support Services > > Nottingham Trent University > > Working Monday to Thursday > > Phone: 0115 848 4495 > > Minicom: 18001 0115 848 4495 > > E-mail: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Callaghan, Brigid > > Sent: 03 November 2008 13:57 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Jaws > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of any developments in the assistive technology world for > blind students? Is there any better package available than Jaws, which has > fewer problems or none at all in fact with 'reading' PDF. Please remember in > your reply that I not an experienced techie ; - ). > > > > > > > > Reply off list [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > > > *********************************************************** > > Brigid Callaghan > > Disability Adviser > > Student Services > > University of Bolton > > Deane Rd > > Bolton > > BL3 5AB > > [log in to unmask] > > To make an appointment: 01204 903733. > > Direct line: 01204 903803 > > Minicom: 01204 903490 > > > > Please do not print off this email unless absolutely necessary - save the > planet. > > *********************************************************** > > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: > > This email is intended solely for the addressee. It may contain private > and confidential information. If you are not the intended addressee, please > take no action based on it nor show a copy to anyone. In this case, please > reply to this email to highlight the error. 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This is in > keeping with good computing practice. > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Peter J Halls, GIS Advisor, University of York > Telephone: 01904 433806 Fax: 01904 433740 > Snail mail: Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York YO10 5DD > This message has the status of a private and personal communication > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1768 - Release Date: 04/11/2008 > 21:38 > -- Emma Jane Rowlett (née Wright) School of Sociology and Social Policy University of Nottingham [log in to unmask] www.accessingmaterials.org.uk