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Tilla: >"Perhaps it's to do with different starting points - between starting with an apprehension of the real and using poetry as a medium as opposed to starting with the medium itself and seeing what reality it finds?"< I think that's too simplistic Tilla, but yes, I understand what you're saying. The problem is that I cannot see that as a starting point. An 'apprehension of the real', or an apprehension of the unreal or the imaginary or whatever, is universal. I don't think anybody actually starts out with 'the medium itself', not in the sense that I think you mean. But you've got me wondering..... The genesis of poetry in us as individuals is a highly complex thing. It is also something extremely difficult to track. Not a good combination if we are trying to GO BACK. And of course this medium or apprehension of the real opposition tends to send us off into psychological considerations when, probably, it is their interaction with cultural influences that is the key. I have for a long time been very interested in what it was that made some of us go in the poetical direction we did, and not a different one. Tim A.