I agree with Jo in principle, and
assume carbon quotas need to be assigned per head of population - as envisaged
under Contraction and Convergence, but even there trading is included
between above and below quota countries, and this will have monetary
value.
Best wishes from Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:10
AM
Subject: Re: European Carbon Control : Why I will
NOT be signing the Avaaz petition
So how are your carbon quotas to be assigned Jo, if not by
auctioning?
Do you want them grandfathered as they are now, giving
them away free to
polluters?
Chris
jo abbess
wrote:
>Yes, there's a big chinwag going on in European quarters, but
no, I shall not be signing the Avaaz petition this time
:-
>
>http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_our_future_europe/?cl=133392283&v=2242
>
>Their
big point (in a big font size) is "Europe should not hand out free permits to
pollute after 2013".
>
>The
>option that they're hinting at is
that the 100% Auction of Carbon
>Permits currently scheduled to be
instated in 2020 should be drawn back
>to 2013 instead.
>
>I
do not agree with the Auctioning of Carbon
>Permits. I spent a very long
time looking at the Kyoto2 arguments from
>Oliver Tickell and decided that
I am against.
>
>My reasoning is
>this : Money can never be
made an adequate medium- to long-term proxy
>value for Carbon. In other
words, a Carbon Price cannot be made to
>control
Carbon.
>
>The reason for this is axiomatic : the value
>of
Money itself derives principally from Carbon, since we are so
>dependent
on Fossil Fuels.
>
>Thus, if you Price Carbon, the
>whole
Economy is impacted, and re-stabilises itself at a lower
>"density" of
value after a very short time.
>
>Rather like a Bubble,
yes.
>
>This will not cause businesses and governments to
de-Carbonise. It will just impoverish everyone and everything.
>
>My
proposal is a strict application of Carbon Quotas, to implement a durable, real
Carbon Cap.
>
>In effect, a controlled
Recession.
>
>
>
>jo.
>+44 77 17 22 13
96
>http://www.changecollege.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:30:14 +0100
>>From:
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>>Subject: 48 hours to green Europe's future]
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>>PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY
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>>--------
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>>Subject: [SPAM] 48 hours to green Europe's
future
>>Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:54:49 -0700
>>From: Paul
Hilder - Avaaz.org
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear friends around
Europe,
>>
>>Far from the eyes of the media, *elected
representatives in the European
>>Parliament are writing a climate and
energy plan for our continent.* As
>>citizens, we've campaigned hard
for a global deal to stop catastrophic
>>global warming, and Europe's
negotiators have driven progress in
>>international talks -- but if big
polluters succeed in watering down
>>Europe's own climate action plan,
all our momentum will be lost.[1] And
>>that's just what's happening
right now.
>>
>>*This Tuesday afternoon, European
parliamentarians are gathering to
>>finalise their proposals -- but the
whole plan is being undermined by
>>industry lobbyists demanding they
lock in massive "permits to pollute"*,
>>which would put emissions
targets completely out of reach for 2020 and
>>beyond.[2] Before it's
too late, *in the next 36 hours, let's deluge
>>representatives from
our own countries with emails and phone calls* --
>>urging them not to
give in to the lobbyists, and instead to put forward
>>strong plans to
build a sustainable future for our societies, showing
>>the world the
way forward.
>>
>>Just click the link below to see the names
and phone numbers of the
>>representatives from your own country --
we've added a few "talking
>>points" you can use in your emails and
phone
calls:
>>
>>http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_our_future_europe/?cl=133392283&v=2242
>>
>>
>>*68
people from 27 countries -- the members of the European parliament
>>on
its environment committee -- can fix this plan.* And there are
tens
>>or hundreds of thousands of us in every one of these
countries.
>>
>>We're told that the most effective thing we
can do is for as many as
>>possible of us to email or call the offices
of those representatives in
>>our own countries (particularly those
from the conservative EPP umbrella
>>party, who have shown most signs
of giving in to the lobbyists), making
>>the case for them not to
compromise on permits to pollute and other
>>backward-looking
loopholes, and asking them to invest in building a
>>cleaner, greener
future for Europe. *At a time of economic difficulty
>>and high fossil
fuel prices, efficiency and sustainability become even
>>more
vital.*[3]
>>
>>*Just click the link below for everything you
need -- names, phone
>>numbers, email addresses and suggestions about
what to say. *And don't
>>delay -- we have hours, not days, to make a
difference.
>>
>>http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_our_future_europe/?cl=133392283&v=2242
>>
>>
>>With
hope and determination,
>>
>>Paul, Pascal, Veronique,
Graziela, Ricken, Ben, Iain, Milena and the
>>whole Avaaz
team
>>
>>Sources:
>>
>>1. For Avaaz's
previous climate campaign successes,
see
>>http://www.avaaz.org/en/bali_report_back/
>>
>>Reuters:
"EU urged to agree on climate before UN talks
open":
>>http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LU300512.htm
>>
>>2.
European Voice: "EPP-ED group split over carbon
emissions"
>>http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/imported/epp-ed-group-split-over-carbon-emissions/62506.aspx
>>
>>
>>AFP:
"WWF criticises attempts to water down EU's green
targets"
>>http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hJvhQ9ClFitMa4husGWkUZRYJxQQ
>>
>>Financial
Times: "Climate change fears over industry
lobbyists"
>>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4e47f656-88ba-11dd-a179-0000779fd18c.html
>>
>>EUX.tv:
"EU set for 'Super Tuesday' with controversial vote on
climate"
>>http://www.eux.tv/article.aspx?articleId=20536
>>
>>3.
UK Stern Review: "Ignoring climate change will damage economic
growth":
>>http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/4/3/executive_summary.pdf
>>
>>EU
carbon market will not raise power
prices:
>>http://www.euractiv.com/en/climate-change/report-eu-carbon-market-raise-power-prices/article-175667
>>
>>
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