Thanks Mark,
I obviously have some reading to do as a lot of the work I am doing is walking between
the fine lines that you have so articulately drawn! I will do some reading and may
well come back to you with my thoughts / reflections on this as it is important for me to
get my head round it given the work I am doing.
Cheers
Jacqui
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:48:06 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: CHAIN targeted message: Upates for the Patient & Public Involvement sub-group (target group: England,PPI s/g; N=1076)
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Its a concept originally from phenomenological sociology (lebenswelt)
> where (as I understand it) it describes that informal unmediated field
> of human relations from which we learn rules, norms, structures of
> feeling, how to be social beings etc. It is seen as the source of our
> social being and of our ethical sense. Habermas uses the concept in
> contrast to the State (or system) on the one hand and the economy-market
> on the other. Both these are systems for ordering human relations that
> substitute for the felt and lived resources of the lifeworld. Habermas
> sees many of our social ills as coming from the colonisation of the
> lifeworlds by these two 'steering media' - i.e. more and more of the
> lifeworld becomes coordinated through economic and governmental controls
> or mediations. This is what the pamphlet seems to be partly aiming at.
> I suppose I made the point because it is a little frustrating to see a
> concept introduced as a new one without reference to a conceptual
> resource that already explains these phenomena with a degree of richness
> from the rather simplistic and perhaps glib account that you tend to
> get in think tank outputs like this NEF one.
> However, there is a danger that the co-production idea can simply be
> used ideologically to legitimate the further dismantling of the welfare
> state. Difficult for many of us because we see its many problems
> (colonisation of the lifeworld being one - also described in similar
> ways by Polanyi in the 1940s in opposition to liberal writers like
> Hayek) while also wanting to protect what is good and essential in it.
> How do we promote inclusive and empowering ways of delivering social
> justice and social and economic benefit without at the same time giving
> ammunition to those that would destroy the gains of the labour and
> progressive movement? Maybe co-production is a concept that can help us
> with that as a way of steering between bureaucratic, paternalistic
> statism on the one hand and free market consumerism on the other - but
> I'm not sure it is quite up to it.
> Mark
>
>
>
> jacqui lovell wrote:
> >
> > Prob gonna show my lack of knowledge here but what is lifeworld Mark?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:44:41 +0100
> > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: CHAIN targeted message: Upates
> > for the Patient & Public Involvement sub-group (target group:
> > England,PPI s/g; N=1076)
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > On a closer read there are some useful ideas in there for countering
> > the
> > > personalisation scam (individual market-based 'solutions'), although I
> > > think it is naive about the production and reproduction of social life
> > > and the term 'core economy' is just lifeworld by another name.
> > >
> > > Annie Mitchell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jacqui,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for alerting us tot his; very interesting and lots in here
> > that
> > > > resonate with community psychology and deep reasons for promoting
> > > > participation/ involvement.
> > > >
> > > > Though as well there are some aspects some of us might take issue
> > > > with: it’s a bit naïve perhaps around power: for example I am a bit
> > > > suspicious of the Expert Patient approach – which, while on the face
> > > > of it is about “empowering “ people with long term health conditions
> > > > is actually very much an individualistic expert-centred approach
> > which
> > > > could, unchecked, lead further along the victim-blaming line –
> > doesn’t
> > > > pay much attention that I can see to poverty/ social exclusion as
> > > > determinants/ perpetuators of long –term distress.
> > > >
> > > > Annie
> > > >
> > > > Annie Mitchell
> > > >
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> > > > Peninsula Allied Health Collaboration,
> > > >
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> > > > *From:* The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *jacqui lovell
> > > > *Sent:* 04 October 2008 14:07
> > > > *To:* [log in to unmask]
> > > > *Subject:* [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: CHAIN targeted message: Upates for
> > > > the Patient & Public Involvement sub-group (target group: England,PPI
> > > > s/g; N=1076)
> > > >
> > > > Please see below for a link to an excellent publication from the New
> > > > Economics Foundation about Co-production. You will need to
> > register on
> > > > the website to download it but I think it is definitely worth the
> > effort!
> > > > Jacqui L
> > > >
> > > > From: [log in to unmask]
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> > > > Subject: FW: CHAIN targeted message: Upates for the Patient & Public
> > > > Involvement sub-group (target group: England,PPI s/g; N=1076)
> > > > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:52:00 +0200
> > > >
> > > > ADD NEF WEBSITE TO MY FAVOURITES!
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Co-facilitatorsof the PPI sub-group Tris Benedict Taylor and Paul
> > > > Gardner have asked us tocirculate the following information to
> > members
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> > > > Tris thought you might be interested in the followingpublication.
> > > > Earlier this year the New Economics Foundation published
> > > > 'Co-production:A Manifesto for growing the core economy,' worth a
> > look
> > > > if you are interestedin the underlying debate about why involvement
> > > > agenda exists. Here's asample quote: 'The point is not to consult
> > > > more, or involve people more indecisions; it is to encourage them to
> > > > use the human skills and experience theyhave to help deliver
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