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Ken, You forgot to mention Dennis Hopper, my old down-the-street neighbor in Venice, California. Hopper played Dave Hastings. An avid artist, photographer, and art collector, he lives just a couple of blocks from the site of the old Eames Office which is just across the street from World Gym, started by Joe Gold but, last I knew, largely owned by Arnold Schwartzenegger. We have to be able to connect that to design in at least four different ways. Dean Martin went on to star in a real joke of a Western that also involved winning and losing at poker, "Five Card Stud." Contrary to the title, he did not make a living by fathering children. (Jon Edwards, despite being the recent US presidential candidate who had the greatest concern about economics, apparently got that business plan backwards.) George Kennedy (also in Sons of Katie Elder) went on to facilitate Cool Hand Luke's egg consumption and helped Clint Easton's art historian/CIA assassin (art + commerce?) be prepared to climb the north face of the Eiger so he could kill people. Isn't that what design consultantship is all about? Many people saw John Singleton's "Four Brothers" as an "Elder" remake. The connections between design and Marky Mark are probably too obvious to mention. And Ricky Nelson's Stone Canyon Band including Jim Burton (former Elvis guitarist) and Tom Brumley (who played pedal steel for Buck Owens) is probably significant. Stone Canyon starts just above UCLA, bring us back to universities and deans. Wow. This may be enough for several conference papers. Not to mention Nelson naming one of his twin sons Gunnar. Gunnar ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 [log in to unmask] +1 252 258 7006 at East Carolina University: +1 252 328 2839 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Ken Friedman Sat 9/13/2008 4:13 AM [snip] Perhaps I spoke to soon when I suggested that deans have little to do with John Wayne. One Dean did time with the Duke. That was Dean Martin. Dean Martin co-starred with John Wayne and Ricky Nelson in Rio Bravo. [snip] A few years later, the Dean and the Duke teamed up once again in The Sons of Katie Elder. This time Dean played a gambler and traveling man named Tom Elder. [snip] One humorous sub-plot to the movie involved the three older Elders doing their best to send Bud to college. The degree was never specificed, but I'd like to think they wanted him to get a doctorate in design. And then shoot the bad guys. [snip]