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Hi Terry, Let's focus. You wrote: "If drawing has any value as a design method, it results in more knowledge and understanding,or the availability of more understanding." More knowledge? Is Drawing Research? But yet, even if Drawing do not result in more knowledge wouldn't it had value as a design method? Schizzi, schetches, were suggested by Vasari to simply flow as triggers for formal decisions. I wouldn't call it knowledge or knowledge enhancers? But they seem to be very valuable in Design. (or at least valued) I would say that drawing as design method is very valuable if it helps you to imagine things that you or no one knows about, and therefore can hardly be considered as knowledge. I agree with understanding, though. You understand unknown things such as Chimeras, aliens, Benfica's defeats, dwarfs and elves through imagination. You wrote further: "If a designer draws something as a design method, they are trying to use the drawing to understand the situation better - i.e. to gain information." Here I sense that in English, drawing refers mostly to observation drawing. My word for drawing contains also designing so we might be banging our heads in different concepts. However, understanding, for me, corresponds to gain processed information that was previously gathered. Drawing is a particular creative method of processing information sin it always organizes information creating new information. I resent particularly your 'i.e.' My computer gains information every day but do it understand any situation any better. You would say that this doesn't mean that understanding a situation better do not correspond to information gaining. Yes it does, but the gain in information is the less interesting fact in understanding things. As an example I would say that sometimes loosing information if more important in a design process because it helps to move on in the decision process. Understanding something means, sometimes, that you discarded information and drawing certainly helps you doing so. You asked: "I'm interested in how you would define a mutually exclusive difference beween 'non-creative design methods' and 'creative design methods'? As far as I can see, 'creative' doesn't do it." Although I sympathize with your wish for a mutually exclusive difference definition for my previous pun, I will not do it since, in fact, 'creative' doesn't do it. I just wanted to stress the fact that gathering information is different from interpreting (for instance) information and interpreting is a way of processing information, more characteristic of being creative than just gathering information. As an axiom your axiom is at this point leading to contractions and misleading about what design methods are (some clearly away from information gathering methods). If your axiom were an axiom I could state with no hesitation that sketching is an information gathering method. That coloring and shading an architectural drawing is an information gathering method. Discussing with colleagues is an information gathering method. That crying Aha! is an information gathering method. I see all this as reconfigurating or producing, processing, interpreting, new information and this is the crucial part of design methods: producing new information, otherwise they aren't design methods because they don't have a projection in the future. So: Axiom 1. Design is a method of processing information that not allow us to call it simply gathered. So Design is a Method of organising information. For this, Design needs information gathered. So we deduct that Design needs methods of gathering information but Design methods are the processes by which information move from gathered to a superior layer of organisation. So All Design methods are methods of organising gathered information. So creative Design methods are methods of organising gathered information in a creative way. All the best, hope to see you soon, Eduardo Eduardo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terence Love" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:16 AM Subject: Re: Design as Research? > Hi Eduardo, > How are you going? I trust summer has been good in Lisbon? > > 'necessarily but not always true...' > > ...suggests that all the other discussion that depends on it might be > either > not necessary or not true...? > > Warm regards, > Terry > >