medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Perhaps. The 1956 rubrics of Pius XII were a further simplification of the changes of Pius X, which were a simplification of those that followed Trent, so they are several layers removed from the more complex and varied late medieval practices. Stan Metheny ----- Original Message ----- From: John Wickstrom To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:17 AM Subject: [M-R] When vigils begin... medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture John , my 1956 Breviarium Romanum (admittedly not medieval but retaining most medieval/early modern usages) suggests you are right about the commencement and relative 'trumps' of Vigils. I noted only two things in addition: in the case of a Vigil being "outranked" by a feast, the use of the Vigil lesson as the final lesson at Matins is optional (there is always a commemoration at Lauds). Also vigils appear to be of different ranks themselves, always "first class" they can be "semi double" (most I looked at) or "simple" (Christmas). best, jbw John B. Wickstrom [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Briggs Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:52 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] saints of the day 20. September medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture John Dillon wrote: > > Today (20. September) is the feast day of: In the York Calendar, Vigil of St Matthew [We never did establish when a vigil starts, quite possibly because I'm the only one interested... I would guess that if the day is a feria, the the vigil starts at Matins. If it is a feast, then the feast is either trumped by the vigil, or the vigil is trumped by the feast - in which case there is a nocturn of the vigil at Matins. But that's just a guess.] John Briggs ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html