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I like the idea of endorsing it as 'The UK Community Psychology Network'. That feels like it accommodates our collective muddled identity without suggesting structure. I do think we should try to avoid getting too enthused about the ECPA and about deciding what we do and don’t endorse on the strength of a vocal few who might have some vested interests - I guess that just continues to highlight the need for some sense of an accountable decision making process for us as a network. I think we need to be cautious about getting too much of a rosey view ECPA - it may have open membership, but it is the reorganisation of what has historically been a very closed 'old boys/girls' network. I appreciate with people like David Fryer taking up a role as elected president soon that there is change in how ECPA is structured these days. I do feel I want to support ECPA, but in the full knowledge that I think it has some disadvantages too as with all the promotion of ECPA going on it is all feeling a bit rose tinted glasses to me! It's openness to membership is actually very new and may be more aspiration than actualised and it lacks a UK locality which I think we need to keep in mind (keeping the UK setting in mind for a contextualised sense of The UK Community Psychology Network). I think we should support their efforts as a network and continue to focus our energy on collectivising for UK community psychology as a separate activity too. Perhaps Carl and Paul might circulate the document produced about their discussions at Edinburgh to keep that conversation going? I agree with Mark's position that we need to find a way to work out what we support without it taking loads of energy! I'm not sure about the 10 objections position, how about 10 positions of support? We can also set up a 'vote' on the list homepage if that is of any help (although might just complicate things!). Rebekah -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. -----Original Message----- From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Burton Sent: 25 September 2008 14:37 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] European community psychology conference, Paris 2009 What about agreeing to endorse it as 'The UK Comunity Psychology Network'? a) I'd suggest setting a deadline for objections. b) Set an arbitrary threshold of 10 unequivocal objections (based on guess as to how many people are likely to bother to write - as against the larger number of people signed up on the list (by the way, when will we be able to get a listing of who we are writing to on these posts?) c) Make it very clear to the French comrades that we are a network rather than a formally constituted organisation. That way they can demonstrate international support for their event (which might help people get funds for example to get there), and we overcome our customary inertia and disorganisation without having to rapidly congeal the network into a body with officers and constitutions (and eventually no doubt a qualification test for who can come in? - although I'd want to reserve the right to set up a formal organisation if that will be instrumental in serving social justice in any way). > Hi David, > > Thanks for asking us about this. > > I disagree with your proposal to say that we cannot act as partner . But > am open to being persuaded otherwise in case I have missed something > here. I agree that this procedural stuff does seem trivial compared > to the issues of life and death and torture that Miriam and others > have been so eloquent about - but that unless we get ourselves sorted > around this we will never get to the point where we can march together > in the streets as community psychologists along with other activists > around issues of social injustice. > > , Although I was only around on the margins of the Edinburgh > conference, I gained the impression ( and maybe I gained the > impression because it is the impression I wanted to gain!) that there > was a hope that we could somehow more actively collectivise ourselves > as a UK community psychology network; a network/ collective that > would be participatory and inclusive, independent of whether or not potential participants were "psychologists" > in any " official" sense - indeed actively welcoming non-psychologists > who shared a commitment to critiquing psychology in relation to > promoting social justice) ( which would act as a powerful > counterbalance to and influencer of the proposed new British > Psychology Society (BPS) community psychology section which, because > of the BPS rules, could not > (yet?) be inclusive in the ways that we would prefer) But that we > were struggling to find a way to form a collective - and that in the > meantime this discussion list is the nearest we have got, imperfect > though that is, to a collective identity/ organisation of UK community psychology. > > In so far as this list is the only current means for our rather quiet > and not powerful collective voice, I would like, as a member of it, to > say that I would be keen to offer to partner our European comrades in > the next European Congress. > > Thanks, > > Annie > > > > > > > > Annie Mitchell > > Clinical Director, > Doctorate in Clinical Psychology, > School of Applied Psychosocial Studies, Faculty of Health and Social > Work, University of Plymouth, Peninsula Allied Health Collaboration, > Derriford Road, Plymouth, Devon > PL6 8BH > > > Phone Programme Administrators: > Jane Murch, Emma Hellingsworth > 01752 233786 > > Please note I work 3 days per week: > usually Monday, Tuesday & either Wednesday or Thursday. > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Fryer > Sent: 24 September 2008 21:22 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] European community psychology conference, > Paris 2009 > > Dear everyone, > > as mentioned at the Edinburgh UK CP Conference, the ECPA (European > Community Psychology Association) will be convening a conference of > European Community Psychology in Paris late in 2009. (I am on the > organising committee). The local organiser is Thomas Sais of the > French Community Psychology Association (Assoc. Française de > Psychologie Communautaire). Thomas has emailed me as follows: > > "In order to be legitimated to the eyes of the potential financers, > could you please tell me if your national CP associations (or psychologists' > association) would like to be mentioned as "partners" of the congress, > without necessarily financing it ? That would be very helpful right > now (I'm asking for sponsorships everywhere)." > We in the UK do not have a national CP association ... the closest we > come to it is the UK CP Network. > > I am assuming that previous discussion regarding 2iccp at Lisbon has > set a precedent for us - as a network or list or whatever - not > becoming 'partners' or 'endorsers' but thought I would bring this > request to the list anyway, even though it is a trivial matter > compared to some issues on which many of us would like to be able to have a collective voice. > > Anyone disagree that I should reply to Thomas and say that we do not > have a body such as national CP association which could legitimately > be a partner? > > Of course whether or not a UK CP association were a partner, CPs from > the UK will be very welcome at the conference and I will keep you > posted re further details as they emerge > > David > > > ________________________________ > Academic Excellence at the Heart of Scotland. > The University of Stirling is a charity registered in Scotland, number > SC 011159. > ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion > list for community psychology in the UK. 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