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While I would agree that archives assistants often have excellent qualifications and in many cases long experience in one office that may give them greater knowledge of the collections than some archivists, in the local authority sector at least any suggestion of salary recommendations has been overtaken by the process of job evaluation. I believe this also operates in HE. In our own office the archive assistants were initially downgraded as a result of the rather blunt instrument of the evaluation computer programme that fails to take full account of such a varied job. However, they were upgraded again on appeal when they were able to present evidence of the full range of duties, responsibilities and knowledge required. Liz Rees Chief Archivist Tyne & Wear Archives Service Blandford House, Blandford Square, Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 4JA Tel (direct) 0191 277 2241; (switchboard) 0191 232 6789 Fax 0191 230 2614 E-mail [log in to unmask] Website www.tyneandweararchives.org.uk Become a fan of Tyne & Wear Archives Service http://www.facebook.com/pages/Newcastle-Upon-Tyne-United-Kingdom/Tyne-Wear-A rchives-Service/22644543768 -----Original Message----- From: Victoria Hoyle [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 11 September 2008 16:20 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Lets hear it for archive assistants Jenny, Your message of support for archives assistants was very welcome! I am always shocked by the low pay assistants can expect, despite the breadth and responsibility of their role and the high expectations placed on their performance. (I should mention at this point that I'm one of the lucky ones - my salary is very generous compared to what I see elsewhere.) Unfortunately I can't see the situation changing. As more and more arts graduates flood the market, eager for work in a sector relevant to their degree and willing to work for little pay, it will be tempting for archives to keep wages low or even let them fall. At the same time employers will be able to get more and more for their money - a wage that could once buy you a candidate with A Levels can now get you a passionate history postgraduate willing to take on more responsibility. Perhaps it would be helpful if the SoA provided graded payscale advice, suggesting minimum wages for assistants depending on the responsibilities of their role. This would allow for the variations between archives and, perhaps, set a standard of pay to which repositories could aspire. Victoria Hoyle Archives Assistant The Borthwick Institute for Archives The University of York Heslington York, YO10 5DD Tel: (01904) 321166 Email: [log in to unmask] Website: www.york.ac.uk/borthwick -----Original Message----- From: Archivists, conservators and records managers. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jenny Moran Sent: 11 September 2008 15:06 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Lets hear it for archive assistants Dear All, Further to Vicky's posting yesterday, I wonder if we (as professionals) should do more to support our para-professional staff who often work on very low salaries and if so how we would address it? Archive assistants in particular are often educated to degree level (I know of one or two with postgraduate qualifications) and, over time, develop many of the skills professional staff have. In many ways they are the backbone of archive services - we certainly couldn't manage without them! Some will, of course, go on to train as archivists and maybe a low salary isn't too bad if you expect to go on to the dizzy heights of a professional wage in due course. Many, however, will remain in low paid posts with no progression or career development - is this inevitable? A few people have indicated that the low salaries for unqualified posts act as a barrier to people wishing to obtain pre- course experience and this must be especially acute with rising levels of student debt. For the record, the Society of Archivists does not set a minimum wage for unqualified posts and only a minority of these posts are advertised in the professional press anyway. Many, of course, only being advertised locally. I'd be interested to hear views on whether we should try to address this issue or even whether we regard it as an issue. If nothing else we could perhaps have para-professional appreciation day. 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