Dear Nigel, There is one domain, that I am aware of, where large-scale models will definitely yield different results: ecology, or population dynamics, in general. That is because of genetic drift (and to some extent, density dependent effects). Populations tend to oscillate a lot and in small systems, oscillations lead to extinction much easier. In one branch of my recent work I am, with co-authors, blending ideas from ecological models with ideas from innovation and economics research (e.g., the dynamics of niche markets). Experiences there lead me to think that the effect of small population size may be an important factor in these areas as well. Another domain where system size may matter is information diffusion (a.k.a., percolation, contagion, etc.) models, or more generally, dynamics on (social) networks. That is because some interaction topologies have the small world property, while others don't. (In some topologies the average peer-to-peer distance scales with log N, where N is the number of agents, while in others it may scale with sqrt(N), or with N.) For small systems, the difference between a small world and a "large" one may be negligible, while in larger systems the "opening gap" between these may lead to important differences in the aggregate system behavior. My 2 cents. I hope this helps! Best regards, -- Laszlo -- dr. Gulyás László | Laszlo Gulyas, PhD kutatási igazgató | dir. of research AITIA International Zrt. | AITIA International Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Gilbert" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:17 PM Subject: [SIMSOC] Whendo big models give different results from small ones? In what circumstances might it be necessary to implement agent-based models of thousands or millions of agents, rather than the more typical tens or hundreds? Do you know of any examples where scaling up the model (in terms of the number of agents) gives qualitatively different results? Do you know of any literature that addresses this issue? Išd be very interested to hear of any suggestions. Thank you, Nigel _______________________________________________________________________ Professor Nigel Gilbert, Editor, Journal of Artificial Societies and Social Simulation, <http://www.soc.surrey.ac.uk/JASSS/> Centre for Research on Social Simulation (CRESS) Department of Sociology, University of Surrey, Guildford, UK. Tel:+44 1483 689173 [log in to unmask] <http://cress.soc.surrey.ac.uk/>