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Well I was school athletics champion -so there admittedly not recently !!yes over half a century ago Patrick 'victor ludorum'1955? -----Original Message----- From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alison Croggon Sent: 19 August 2008 10:15 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Sport v art Hi Christopher I see what you're saying, and I've no desire to say sport is something that it isn't. Nor am I claiming that it offers the same rewards as art does: sport and art are different (although I'd claim a deep relationship, at interesting levels). All the same, I think it's all too easy to dismiss what it does offer, to see them as simply mob gratification, where I think there is something more interesting going on: a class judgment, if you like, rather than a real evaluation of what drives athletes and attracts its audiences. That production of feeling you describe can indeed occur in sport, and it not necessarily a crude or base feeling, nor cynically manufactured, it can be complex and real. Cheers Alison -- Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com