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I think, Patrick, the thin red bricks you are writing about are Victorian restoration work. There most certainly are Roman slabs in the walls of St Nicks, but I've never noticed any bricks! This is a place that is five minutes walk from where I live, me ducks. The history of St Nicks is very complicated: there certainly was a seventh century church on the site where it is, whether what survives is the same building is complicated: it might be a a rebuild using material from a pre-existing structure, for sure it was only dedicated in the twelfth century. There was a twin church opposite called St Augustine's that has, as they say, vanished, nobody knows when. 2008/8/26 Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>: > http://www.docbrown.info/docspics/midlands/mspage13.htm > The Roman name for Leicester was Ratae Coritanorum (in Saxon times Leicester > is known as Legorensis civitas in the kingdom of Mercia). The Jewry Wall > archaeological site, part of the foundations-remains of the Roman public > baths built between AD 145 and AD 170, and one of the best preserved Roman > ruins in Leicestershire. The church of St Nicholas is in the background, and > not surprisingly, it reuses some of the Roman masonry in its construction > e.g. you can see thin red Roman bricks in parts of the walls. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick McManus [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 26 August 2008 14:54 > To: 'Poetryetc: poetry and poetics' > Subject: RE: composing on horseback > > David Bircumshaw !! > Ratae Corieltauvorum not have any bricks! what the hell were they up to > since AD 50 building villas bath houses basilicas forts the works -what > about the central heating? > I think I can even see bricks here in this pic ?? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:St_Nicholas_and_Jewry_Wall.jpg > luv P > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of David Bircumshaw > Sent: 26 August 2008 12:47 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: composing on horseback > > Roman ones, yes, but not brick. > > 2008/8/26 Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>: >> No Roman ones? >> P >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On >> Behalf Of David Bircumshaw >> Sent: 26 August 2008 11:57 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: composing on horseback >> >> first brick building in Leicester: 1702 - the Unitarian Meeting House >> on East Bond Street. First street with brick town houses: New Street, >> somewhere in the 18th century, but there weren't many of them, you can >> tell the Regency stuff (which is when the build began) from the >> Victorian by the shapes of the bricks. >> >> But all of it is only in the city centre area. >> >> I sit corrected on the wattle-and-daub: that is what I colloquially >> meant by mud huts. >> >> 2008/8/26 Robin Hamilton <[log in to unmask]>: >>> Um. >>> >>> I'd like a specific cite on this, dave. >>> >>> I'm a connoisseur, and while bricks don't become Ford-standard till the >>> 18thC, you've got bricks as far back as the 1550s. >>> >>> Bricks simply made more *sense* than mud. >>> >>> Unless you're talking wattle-and-daub, and USAmerica still builds them >> that >>> way today, though they call them timberboard. >>> >>> (Not that any sensible UK building society would provide a mortgage on an >>> average American house -- we had the GF of L, all the USAmericans had was >>> the Great Chicago Earthquake of 1968.) >>> >>> Oops, sorry, this is off-topic. >>> >>> I mean, houses were falling down all over the shop when Crabbe was > writing >>> in the early 19thC, but at least, they were *brick houses. >>> <g> >>> >>> R%. >>> >>> (Actually, three story bloody houses were falling down in *Rome in the >> 3rdC >>> AD -- there's an Edwin Morgan poem that turns on this.) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bircumshaw" >>> <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:34 AM >>> Subject: Re: composing on horseback >>> >>> >>>> Push time a little onwards, last year I walked out Cobbett's >>>> description of Leicester in the early 1800's: mud huts, in the >>>> villages, that are now the middle-class suburbs, were what most people >>>> actually lived in, unless they were squires or vicars. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Bircumshaw >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk >> > > > > -- > David Bircumshaw > Website and A Chide's Alphabet > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk > -- David Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk