medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: André-Yves BOURGES <[log in to unmask]> > Hi Christopher, > I am interested in your "fairly decent OCR copy" of Lindy Grant's study on Geoffrey of Lčves; on its way, at the speed of light. >bishop Geoffrey is known to be the prelate who asked Geoffrey "le Gros" to write the vita of Bernard of Tiron [BHL 1251]. Grant notes that "Like Ivo, Geoffrey had cordial relations with the west French leaders of the new eremetical reformed monasticism, Robert of Arbrissel, founder of Fontevrault, and Bernard, founder of Tiron. These relations were established long before Geoffrey became bishop, for as canon, Geoffrey was cathedral prepositor [sic] for property at Sarzay on which the abbey of Tiron was built . The cordiality paid off. As we have seen, Robert and Bernard between them insisted on the propriety of Geoffrey's election, and reconciled Theobald of Blois to it, and Geoffrey became the dedicatee of the life of St Bernard of Tiron." this snippet is perhaps indicative of how her work should be taken with some lumps of salt --it's not at all clear what (if anything)-- the fact that Godfrey position as (one of 5 or 6) Provost over that extreme northwest part of the diocese might have to do (if anything) with the foundation of Tiron. his family lands at Leves were on that side of Chartres (though within the Provostship of Chartres, i believe), and they surely had holdings up in that corner of the diocese (his sister married the Lord of Muzy, just over the Epte from the dio./county of Chartres), so his being Provost of that area would be a natural thing. more dispositive, surely, is whatever Bernard's vita might have to say about his role in it; and, of course, what can be gleaned from his role in many early charters for the abbey, conveniently to be found in its published cartulary Cartulaire de l'abbaye de la Sainte-Trinité de Tiron...publié et annoté par M. Lucien Merlet,... Chartres: Impr. de E. Garnier, 1882-1883 2 vol. and available on Gallica http://gallica.bnf.fr/Catalogue/noticesInd/FRBNF34131645.htm i definitely would not describe Grant as a careless scholar, but she does have a tendency to "shoot from the hip" ocassionally, and draw overly-broad conclusions from her sources, sometimes using them naively. btw, i also have a (mostly) legible copy of the pages devoted to Godfrey's period as Legate in Wilhelm Janssen, Die päpstlichen Legaten in Frankreich, vom Schisma Anaklets II. bis zum Tode Coelestins III. (1130-1198). Köln, 1961. (Kölner historische Abhandlungen, Bd. 6) also available to anyone desiring it. c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html