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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Remember Mary with the child after the model of Isis with the boy Horus ... yours Karl Am 10.08.2008 um 20:32 schrieb jbugslag: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > >> The boy in this configuration is usually called Triptolemos (as in >> the >> image caption for the view pointed to by Diana). The image shown >> appears to have been retouched. Here's a fairly recent view of the >> original piece (a stele, BTW, not -- as in the image caption -- a >> frieze) in the National Archaeological Museum in Athens: >> http://tinyurl.com/6ar9b7 And here's a view of a copy in the Eleusis >> Museum at Eleusis: http://tinyurl.com/59o39k Larger view: >> http://tinyurl.com/6g65qb >> >> In both of those, note the wearing of many of the surfaces (e.g. >> Triptolemos's nose, Persephone's/Kore's nose, and her right arm). > > John, > Are you saying, or implying, here that the wearing was intentional, > as, for example, in those > parts of the image being touched by devotees? >> >> In this particular composition Triptolemus (receiving from Demeter >> the >> grain with which he will instruct mankind in agriculture) appears to >> me more a young man (kouros) than a small boy. > > Well, if the Annaselbdritt did arise out of such a configuration, it > certainly wouldn't be the only > grain goddess imagery to characterize Christian iconography. My > favourite is the apocryphal > episode on the Flight into Egypt when the Holy Family comes across a > farmer who has just > planted his crops. They tell him to inform their pursuers that he > had last seen them when the > crops had just been planted, and Christ then miraculously makes the > grain grow up to a > harvestable state, so that the pursuers think they must have passed > that way months ago, > and of course, give up the chase. This story is also told of > several early female European > saints, as well, but was incorporated into Christian mythology, and > imagery, from much older > grain goddess legends. > Cheers, > Jim > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html