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films no doubt change the world (and people), but that there's a considerable element of unpredictability about this (the failure of instrumental logic). Benjamin, Adorno/Horkheimer? If I recall correctly, Rossellini after his didactic films made for French tv (the best known of which is 'La prise de pouvoir par Louis XIV', 1966), came to the conclusion - as did Francesco Rosi in Italy a decade later - that if you want to make films, make films. If you want to do politics, don't make films but go into politics. for better or worse, what's so interesting about screen theory is that it explores the ideological work done by cultural forms that are NOT didactic, that to all appearances are innocent of ideological and political impulse . . . much work on the sexist ideology of certain hollywood conventions seems compelling and has, i think, changed our view of the role of gender is very valuable ways it probably goes without saying that the most interesting ideological indices are to be found in the work of those who are totally unaware that they are doing anything but telling a story . . . i hardly want to jettison this mode of analysis - but at the same time i think it necessary to be as critical of it as we can, to be sure that it does not simply impose its own ideological agenda * * Film-Philosophy Email Discussion Salon. After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to. To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon. * Film-Philosophy online: http://www.film-philosophy.com Contact: [log in to unmask] ** * * Film-Philosophy salon After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to. To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon. * Film-Philosophy online: http://www.film-philosophy.com Contact: [log in to unmask] **