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As an 'advisor', I do not expect to be consulted on every action or opinion stated by the moderators. I viewed Joseph's intervention as a quite gentle reminder of the list's values, and had no problem with it. -- ~ SB | http://www.sbpoet.com | On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:36 PM, M. Borges Accardi <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Greetings, > > My understanding was that?co-moderator does not mean that the each get 1/2 > vote, but, rather that Anny and Joseph take turns in reading and moderating > the list. . . > > Mill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 9:19 pm > Subject: Re: (un)moderated > > > > Joe, with nothing I say intended to be an attack on you personally, I am > asking for your voluntarily giving up your post as co-manager of this list. > We listmembers are not privy to back channel communications, if any, that > you may have had at any point, so I can only draw conclusions based upon > what you write front channel. In your posts clearly labelled "co-manager", > you have, it seems to me, been dictatorial, have not consulted listmembers > before making your decisions, and have made erratic judgements and > pronouncements. Following is a gathering of those specifics. > > You must consider the timeline of actions and decisions that you have left > us with, regarding your co-managership: > > 1) You resigned your co-managership in the wake of an upset with one of > the > members whom you wished to cut from the list. > > 2) Peter Cudmore volunteered to fill your vacated position. > > 3) You said that you wanted to continue as co-manager, and, without any > front channel request for input or advice from us members, you gathered > together a group of us to advise you on the difficult issue of whether and > how listmembers should be removed from the list. > > 4) Yesterday, you seemed to want a thread discontinued, and that > eventually > became evident from your saying "the thread is over." Yet we saw no > evidence that you had consulted with your co-manager about your decision, > nor that you had sought the advice of your self-selected group of advisors. > > 5) Assuming the best---that, indeed, you had consulted Anny and your group > of advisors---you did not tell us that you had consulted them. You can > understand how autocratic that makes you appear to be. > > 6) Assuming that you did not consult Anny or your advisors, we reasonably > must wonder why you'd make such an undemocratic move, to the detriment of > the list's stated desire for equality and fairness. > > I suggest your leaving the post, with all my due respect for your hard work > and your tryings. None of us regards the position as "easy", and few, if > any of us, want to have it. But I think that > your remaining in the position > is divisive, in itself. Surely, that is not a good thing for this list. > > Best, > > Judy > > > > 2008/7/14 Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]>: > > > My understanding, Candice, is that the list is unmoderated in that all > the > > mail goes through. Nobody checks it ahead of time. If you send it it will > > show up. (The software can be set to hold messages for approval.) But the > > list has both two "managers" & an advisory panel, presumably because > things > > occasionally need to be adjudicated. The managers and the advisory panel > > work for the best interests of the list as a whole. No messages were > > deleted > > this morning (US time) & I would consider such an action appropriate in > > only > > the most extreme case. Hope this clarifies matters. > > > > Joseph Duemer > > Co-Mgr. > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > The last I knew was that Jiscmail designated poetryetc an unmoderated > > list, > > > and I think our welcome message says so too. Has something changed in > the > > > meantime? > > > > > > Candice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Joseph Duemer > > Professor of Humanities > > Clarkson University > > Weblog: sharpsand.net > > >