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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture She's moved now to THE University of Manchester. (Hence my previous email: her address will be [log in to unmask]; the previous incarnation of @man.ac.uk probably no longer works, after the merger of the Victoria University with UMIST). A. (as for the good bishop Hill, while I think Jim's identification of Liesse is probably the likeliest, in Picardy as it was, 'liance' could also mean 'allegiance', and so St Mary of L it may be some sort of advocation rather than a place-name.) -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of jbugslag Sent: 18 July 2008 17:57 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] OPs and OMs in each other's calendars and sanctorales medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Patrick, The last I heard, Cordelia Warr was teaching at a (or the?) university in Belfast. That may help. Cheers, Jim Bugslag On 16 Jul 2008 at 18:53, Patrick Hayes wrote: > It so happens I am to be interviewed on stigmatics next week and it > may be advantageous to read Warr's paper. Does someone have an email > address for her? > > Patrick Hayes, Ph.D. > Department of Theology and Religious Studies > St. John's University > > -----Original Message----- > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture on behalf of Luongo, F. Thomas Sent: Wed 7/16/2008 4:40 PM To: > [log in to unmask] Cc: Subject: Re: [M-R] OPs and OMs in > each other's calendars and sanctorales > > > > > Cordelia Warr gave an interesting paper on Dominican promotion of > stigmatist saints, at the "Saints between Manuscript and Print" > conference at the American Academy in Rome in June. > > As I recall, she mentioned that "stigmata" was often used to describe > a variety of physical experiences, not just the receiving of the > wounds of Christ in the manner of Francis. > > Tom Luongo > > -----Original Message----- > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom > Izbicki Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:45 AM To: > [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] OPs and OMs in > each other's calendars and sanctorales > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > Also Franciscans resented any claim Catherine of Siena received > stigmata. Carolyn Muessig gave a very interesting paper on this at > the meeting of the Renaissance Society of America this past spring. > Tom Izbicki > > John Shinners wrote: > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > > culture > > > > There could be bad blood between the two orders. Vauchez also wrote > about Dominican resentment of Franciscan claims of Francis' > stigamata. They thought this was making him too much like Christ, > and some images of Francis bearing the stigmata were defaced. See > André Vauchez, "Les stigmates de saint François et leurs > détracteurs dans les derniers siècles du moyen âge," Mélanges > d'archaeologie et d'histoire, 1968, 596-625. Translated by Edward > Hagman as "The Stigmata of St. Francis and Its Medieval Detractors," > Greyfriars Review 13 (1999). > > Best, > John > > > ------------------------------------------ > John Shinners > > Professor of Humanistic Studies > Saint Mary's College > Notre Dame, > Indiana 46556 > Phone: 574-284-4494 or 574-284-4501 > > www.saintmarys.edu/~hust > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Catherine.Lawless <[log in to unmask]> > To: > [log in to unmask] > Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:54:42 > -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [M-R] OPs and OMs in each other's > calendars and > sanctorales > > medieval-religion: Scholarly > discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > Dear Cecilia > > André Vauchez wrote an essay on Jacopo da Voragine and whether > Saints Dominic, Peter Martyr, Francis and Elizabeth of Hungary > belonged to the original corpus of the Legenda Aurea or not, and > therein also wrote a little about Jacopo's sermons on Francis. The > essay is 'Jacopo da Voragine e i santi del XIII secolo' in Ordini > mendicanti e società italiana XIII-XV secolo (Milan: Mondadori, > 1990), pp.92-115. The essay was originally published in Jacopo da > Voragine. Atti del I Convegno di studi indetto dal Centro studi > Jacopo da Voragine (Varazze, 13-14 aprile 1985), ed. G. Farris and > T.B. Delfino (Varazze, 1987), pp.53-77. > On p.113, n., of the > Mondadori edition, Vauchez cites Jacopo's sermons on St. Francis, as > sermones I and II, in R. Clutius, Jacobi de Voragine sermones aurei, > vol.II, Mayence 1616. > > Apologies if I have sent this twice - I > wrote it out and it disappeared from my computer screen when I hit > send, yet didn't appear to send, I don't know where it went! > best > > C. > > Dr. Catherine Lawless > Course Director, MA in the History of > Art and Architecture Department > of History University of Limerick > Limerick > Tel: + 353-61-202636 > Email: [log in to unmask] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly > discussions of medieval religious > culture on behalf of Tom Izbicki > > Sent: Wed 16/07/2008 14:16 > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [M-R] OPs and OMs in each other's calendars and > > sanctorales > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval > religion and > culture > > Cecilia, > One possible place to look is > in the sermon literature. Did > Dominicans preserve sermons about > Francis etc.? And vice versa. > Francis himself was such an > international saint, I cannot imagine him > being skipped entirely by > Dominicans. Others might be given less > attention. You might > > consult: > > Title: Repertorium der lateinischen Sermones des > Mittelalters für die > Zeit von 1350 bis 1500 [electronic resource] > / nach den Vorarbeiten > von J.B. Schneyer ; herausgegeben von L. > Hödl und W. Knoch. > Publication info: Münster : Aschendorff, > c2001. > Physical descrip: 1 CD-ROM ; 4 3/4 in. + 1 guide ([12] > p. ; 12 cm.) > > > *Repertorium der lateinischen Sermones des > Mittelalters für die Zeit > von 1150-1350 /* > > Johannes Baptist > *Schneyer* > > 1969-1990 > *Latin* Book Book 11 v. ; 24 cm. > > Münster Westfalen : Aschendorffsche Verlagsbuchhandlung, > > Also, > the following: > > > *Quaestiones evangeliorum tam de tempore quam de > sanctis* > > Juan de *Torquemada* > > 1477 > *Latin* Book Book : > Microform Microform 414 p. fol. > Rome, Johann Schurener, > > Did > Torquemada provide for material on Franciscans? I never looked. > > > I do know that Leonardo Dati OP preached on Francis at the Council of > > Constance. I never have been sure how he got that assignment. > That > is covered with other sermons by author in: > > i > > *Scriptores Ordinis Praedicatorum Medii Aevi /* > > Thomas > *Kaeppeli*; Emilio *Panella* > > 1970-1993 > *Latin* Book Book 4 v. > ; 25 cm. > Romae : Ad S. Sabinae, > > Tom Izbick > > > > cecilia > gaposchkin wrote: > >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of > medieval religion and >> culture Doctissimi, >> >> Can any one point > me to relevant bibliography on the question of how >> Franciscans and > Dominicans treated each other's saints in their >> sanctorales and > calendars, and saintly commemorations in general. I >> presume this > is something that someone has thought about somewhere, >> but I don't > know where to look. So, for instance, did Franciscan do >> more than > simply insert Aquinas into their calendar - did they use >> proper > liturgical offices, did they preach proper sermons, and so >> forth. > And did the Dominicans celebrate, for instance, Louis of >> Toulouse, > or Anthony of Padua, and how? >> >> Any info and/or bibliography > appreciated. >> >> thanks as always, for every one's engagements. I > love and benefit >> constantly from the generosity of the list, >> >> > cecilia >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> --- Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live > >> Messenger. 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