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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear Cecilia (and other colleagues), I can offer a few cents' worth of further information on this issue. Some years ago I made detailed notes on the contents of the Sanctorales in a small, unscientific sample of Dominican and Franciscan manuscript breviaries, most of them from the 15th century. What I found about the liturgical texts in these breviaries basically supports George's point that each order tended to ignore the more obscure feasts in the other order. But there are some interesting variations. Specifically, I found that the Dominican breviaries almost invariably included proper hagiographical lessons (that is, lessons based on the saints' lives) for three OFM feasts: those of Francis himself (of course), Anthony of Padua, and Elizabeth. King Louis also had lessons in a few late manuscripts, and one of these (Bibl. Angelica 262) also supplemented the usual lessons for Elizabeth with a full proper office and hymns (a later addition, as were the lecc for Louis). I found no mention in these Dominican Sanctorales of Louis, Bishop and Confessor, or the other standard Franciscan feasts. I studied a larger sample of Franciscan Sanctorales because they seemed to be much more variable in some respects-- but their treatment of Dominican saints was pretty uniform. Almost invariably they had 6-9 proper lessons for Dominic in August, some sort of proper text(s) for Peter Martyr in April, and that's all. One manuscript (out of a dozen or so) also had a prayer for Thomas Aquinas in January, and one late and very unusual manuscript (Casanatense 407) ended with an even later supplement containing an enormous list of additional proper texts that included full or partial sung offices (plus proper lessons and often hymns) for Thomas, Vincent, conf. OP, Peter Martyr, and Katherine of Siena as well as Dominic and a lot of Franciscan feasts. I began to doubt the Franciscan provenance of this supplement, though, when I noticed that it also gives proper offices and lessons for (among others) Richard of Chichester, Benedict, "alma patris Januarii pontificis et martiris," Augus tine, Nicholas of Tolentino, Celestine V, Jerome, and "Ildefonsus, archep. Tollentani." I haven't ever published these bits of my research but can provide more information on the specific mss and their contents if anybody is interested. Sherry Reames ----- Original Message ----- From: George FERZOCO <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:57 am Subject: Re: [M-R] OPs and OMs in each other's calendars and sanctorales To: [log in to unmask] > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Dear medieval-religion colleagues, > > For what it's worth (not much!), I've touched on this topic a couple > > of times. Most recently I returned to it briefly in 'Preaching, > Canonization and New Cults of Saints in the Later Middle Ages', in > Nicole Bériou and Franco Morenzoni, eds, *Prédication et liturgie au > > Moyen Âge*, Bibliothèque d'Histoire Culturelle du Moyen Âge 5 > (Turnhout: Brepols, 2008), 297-312. In a nutshell, what I say in > these articles is: the more obscure the feast of the Franciscan or > Dominican saint, the less likely the other order would be to devote a > > sermon to it. > > Don't forget the tradition of Franciscans being invited to Dominican > > houses to preach the feast of Dominic, and the Dominicans being > invited chez les franciscains to preach the feast of Francis. This > practice is mirrored in Dante's Paradiso, where in the Heaven of the > > Wise, the Dominican Thomas Aquinas speaks of Francis, and über- > Franciscan Bonaventure speaks of Dominic. > > Oh yes: Cordelia Warr and Carolyn Muessig have jointly organized a > session on medieval stigmatists for the 2009 meeting of the Medieval > > Academy of America in Chicago. > > George > -- > George FERZOCO > [log in to unmask] > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html