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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear Marjorie, It was news to me to hear that Santa Bibiana claims to have "the identical relics that were supposedly translated ... to California in 1856". As far as I'm aware, that church claims to have, along with those of the legendarily connected St. Dafrosa and St. Demetria, relics of the St. Bibiana to whom the _Liber pontificalis_ says pope St. Simplicius (468-83) dedicated a church (the late antique predecessor of the present one) on the Esquiline. Can you give us a citation of some source in which this claim extends to a recognition of the identity of the Bibiana to whom the church is dedicated and the catacomb saint Viviana translated to the Diocese of Monterey in 1856 and now in the possession of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles? Similarly, can you provide a usable citation to your "Catholic sources [that say that] there is only one saint [Bibiana/Vibiana]"? A summary of how these sources substantiate that assertion would also be useful. Best, John Dillon ----- Original Message ----- From: Marjorie Schulenburg <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008 3:39 am Subject: Re: [M-R] Fw: [M-R] saints of the day July 3 To: [log in to unmask] > Not exactly, I hope. My previous inquiry related to the > > former diocesan church in LA (St. Vibiana's cathedral), but I find > > it interesting that a tangential reference in the July 3 "saints of > the > day" > > cites Santa Bibiana in Rome, a church which claims to have > > the identical relics that were supposedly translated (in total > > we can infer) to California in 1856. I shall pursue it-appreciate > > your comments. > > > > > > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of V. Kerry > Inman > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 8:58 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] Fw: [M-R] saints of the day July 3 > > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > > Didn't we do this before? > > V.K. Inman > > _____ > > > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 05:19:42 +1200 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [M-R] Fw: [M-R] saints of the day July 3 > To: [log in to unmask] > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Henk 't Jong < > > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > "Relics are nothing but a hoax, sustained over a long period of time" > > > > > Oddly enough, everybody has them, or will have them when they are dead. > > > > > > Henk > > > > _____ > > > > Sorry for the mistake. It should look like this. > > > > The discussion of Leo II under today's saints mentions the > > church of Santa Bibiana which he restored and offers several > > excellent photos of today's church. Outside sources on the church of > > Santa Bibiana in Rome claim, interestingly, that her relics are > situated > > under the altar with those of her mother and sister; however, > > St. Vibiana's in Los Angeles also claimed to have Vibiana (Bibiana's) > > relics (a papal gift)] and at one point displayed them above the main > > altar. Now they are relegated to the crypt chapel of Our Lady of Angels > > Cathedral in LA. An interesting discrepancy. According to my > Catholic > > sources, there is only one saint. > > Marjorie Schulenburg > > http://www.cathedralsofcalifornia.com/?tag=st-vibiana ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html