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However, this also shows I clearly did't spend enough time reading the previous emails - good point Judith! >>> Matt Davis <[log in to unmask]> 31/07/2008 12:23 >>> They clearly don't spend enough time analysing the findings: Of the 101 respondents who answered the question (Requirement for spouses to demonstrate knowledge of English prior to entry to the UK), 68 disagreed with the proposal for spouses to demonstrate knowledge of English before they enter the UK; 31 respondents were in agreement and two respondents gave a mixed response. So why bother to ask in the first place? The other area which leapt out at me was: In 2008 we are extending the requirement to speak English for economic migrants seeking entry to the UK through Tiers 1 and 2 of the new points based system. All migrants under Tier 1 will be required to meet an English language requirement (apart from investors). Perhaps that rule could be extended to spouses? Those who bring in a predefined amount of wealth to the country could be exempt... Bah! Matt Davis Research and Development Manager City of Bristol College Bedminster Centre (1.37) Marksbury Road BS3 5JL 0117 312 5557 07739 863 450 >>> Pam Frame <[log in to unmask]> 31/07/2008 12:04 >>> They must spend a great deal of money carrying out these consultations and analyzing the findings-might be better spent elsewhere-on English classes maybe. Will this help to ease the restriction on newly-arrived spouses accessing ESOL provision in their first year? Will they get priority if they have to prove they are seeking to learn? Or a certificate saying they are number 350 on a waiting list? Do they ever say what a satisfactory command of English actually is? From:ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cooke, Melanie Sent: 30 July 2008 18:38 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Home Office consultation on pre-entry English requirement for spouses Please see below for link to the report on the consultation on pre-entry English requirements for spouses. It seem that although the majority of respondents disagreed with this requirement the Home Office are still going to go ahead with it. Which all begs the question about what these consultations are for and why we spend our time filling them in.Marriage visas: pre-entry English requirement for spouses 'This consultation sought views on our proposals for the introduction of a pre-entry language requirement for those applying for a spouse visa and planning to settle in the United Kingdom. The Government's response to this consultation and a revised analysis of consultation responses was published on 23 July. These can be found in the document 'Marriage visas: the way forward' below. http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/aboutus/consultations/closedconsultations/preentryenglishrequirement/ _______________________________________________________________ Melanie Cooke Research Associate Department of Education and Professional Studies King's College, London Franklin Wilkins Building Waterloo Road London SE1 9NH Tel: 020 7848 3122 [log in to unmask] http://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/sspp/education/staff/mcooke.html No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.8/1582 - Release Date: 7/30/2008 6:37 PM *********************************** ESOL-Research is a forum for researchers and practitioners with an interest in research into teaching and learning ESOL. ESOL-Research is managed by James Simpson at the Centre for Language Education Research, School of Education, University of Leeds. 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