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David am I missing something -but why the piccy of Joodles when we open the site?? P -----Original Message----- From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Bircumshaw Sent: 02 June 2008 20:09 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: revised poem, orange words >how on earth did you know to make that obscure connection? do you write rpgs< No, kasper, I just have a mind full of odd associations. Believe me, some of my associations have been very odd indeed! Yeah, I think Wakean writing is best for fairly short poems, and in small doses. Too much and your head starts to jelly. There could be, there are, other kinds of night writing too - that's an interesting thought. A lot of poetry's ghost stories. Best Dave 2008/6/2 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>: > how on earth did you know to make that obscure connection? do you write > rpgs? > I never got into fantasy except for Tolkien, which I'm happy about since it > isn't my thing exactly. the anthropology, linguistics & history of a > well-written mythos is always enjoyable though. > > heh yes I can imagine. but that's kind of the point of wakean writing, I'd > say; to let the words & associations live lives of their own, the same way > that dreams & thoughts shapeshift constantly. Joyce called FW a 'night book' > I believe, and he attributes the vaulted, morphing language to the fact that > the 'events' happen at night, when nothing is as clear as in the daytime. > > KS > > 2008/6/1 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>: > >> http://www.elfwood.com/art/h/a/hathaway/jerhan.jpg.html >> >> gives you the elves. >> >> Finnegan speak is quite fun in poems, now and then, isn't it? The only >> trouble is, and I've found this out myself, after a few years you >> start forgetting what the puns were in your own poems, that happened >> to Joyce too with parts of the Wake didn't it? >> >> Best >> >> Dave >> >> 2008/6/1 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>: >> > as in Finnegans. what do you mean, prowling elves? :o >> > >> > KS >> > >> > 2008/5/31 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>: >> > >> >> Kasper >> >> >> >> do you mean 'wakean' as in Finnegans or as in prowling elves? >> >> >> >> 2008/5/31 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>: >> >> > fantastic Janet. you've written a poem in wakean! I enjoyed hugely >> >> > >> >> > KS >> >> > >> >> > 2008/5/30 Janet Jackson <[log in to unmask]>: >> >> > >> >> >> I thought after commenting about Prynne might be a good time to work >> on >> >> >> this >> >> >> poem ;-) but I'm still not satisfied with lines 6 and 7 and >> particularly >> >> >> not >> >> >> with 'extension' and 'meatsweat' which are too orange. (Words with a >> lot >> >> of >> >> >> 'e' sounds in them always seem orange to me... anyone else experience >> >> this >> >> >> kind of synesthesia?) >> >> >> >> >> >> In this poem my expression is tightly constrained by the form the >> poem >> >> has >> >> >> taken. Finding the one perfect word can take days or years. >> >> >> >> >> >> *breath* >> >> >> >> >> >> brush with that nightskin this dayskin. >> >> >> tangential coatmerge. totem furs. >> >> >> chimpgirl. panther. >> >> >> >> >> >> chill chubby sunmemory, thinlimbed mist. >> >> >> dimlysensed. vibrational. suspended. >> >> >> extension. locus. >> >> >> >> >> >> taint inspiration, meatsweat droplets. >> >> >> turning. pacing. turning. pacing. focus. >> >> >> flash flood of star-mangled breath >> >> >> >> >> >> just outside the scent markers of the gang boss >> >> >> just outside the territory of the tribe >> >> >> as they sleep. snoring. gone. I alert >> >> >> >> >> >> both eyes scanning >> >> >> skin stretched wide >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Janet Jackson <[log in to unmask]> >> >> >> www.proximity.webhop.net (Poetry) >> >> >> www.myspace.com/poetjj (Includes occasional arts & culture blog) >> >> >> >> >> >> The Line Mine, bulletin board for Perth poetry & spoken word: >> >> >> [log in to unmask] >> >> >> groups.yahoo.com/group/thelinemine >> >> >> >> >> >> Breastfeeding info & help: www.breastfeeding.asn.au >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> David Bircumshaw >> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet >> >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ >> >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html >> >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> David Bircumshaw >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk >> > -- David Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk