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That's fascinating, Sheila, & something close to what I feel (but I'm afraid I'm note writing anything as much as I should be these days). In fact, Andrew, I didn't have a lot of trouble writing that piece, but I wasn't all that sure after I had written it. Certainly, some of the poems I still feel really good about came out of my pen with amazing ease, once I 'found' that first line & kept going... I will say that I dont write from 'ideas' or concepts (although I probably did way back when), but look for some word or phrase that will allow some kind of continuation... Doug On 26-Jun-08, at 6:29 PM, Sheila Murphy wrote: > Dear Andrew the Inq, > Yours truly actually finds that the poems that write themselves are > better > than those I force. That's based upon the responses I receive, in > addition > to my own liking of the pieces as they have emerged. > > Sometimes (not often), a rather difficult, labored endeavor MAY > yield a > moment or so of worth (according to me), but for me, that is rare. > > My solution to all of this? I write, so that I am ready for the real > writing. Sometimes it isn't there, but I'd have missed it if I had no > writing muscles. I don't release all that I do. In fact, much of it > is never > seen, will never be seen. I also note that I write less these days > than I > used to. > > Sheila > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM, andrew burke <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> Doug said, I wasnt sure at all, >> >> Aren't they often the best poems, later? I often feel, if I'm >> comfortable >> writing a poem and it just 'flows', that it is a pale wak affair, >> yet the >> ones where I am unsure of them but have the courage to let it out, >> they >> seem >> to be the better ones. Is this a common experience amongst poets? >> >> Andrew the Inquisitor >> >> 2008/6/26 Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>: >> >>> Thanks Nathan, Andrew, Barry, & Gerald. >>> >>> I wasnt sure at all, to tell the truth... >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> On 26-Jun-08, at 7:51 AM, Gerald Schwartz wrote: >>> >>> Doug, >>>> >>>> Great piece. Really get the sense of movement >>>> from it... from its structure and its descriptions. >>>> >>>> Gerald S. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Douglas Barbour < >>>>> [log in to unmask]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> the cobblestones were hard >>>>>> on horses' hooves >>>>>> on carriages whose wheels >>>>>> were just as hard >>>>>> >>>>>> now jouncing at varying speeds >>>>>> sudden stops >>>>>> for pedestrians >>>>>> & other interferences >>>>>> they remain historical >>>>>> ly hard >>>>>> tough >>>>>> on foreign feet & bodies >>>>>> >>>>>> a sense of the past >>>>>> present in every step & swerve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Douglas Barbour >>>>>> [log in to unmask] >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Latest books: >>>>>> Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) >>>>>> http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 >>>>>> Wednesdays' >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html >>>>>> >>>>>> In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as >>>>>> the field >>>>>> general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the >>>>>> defense >>>>>> by >>>>>> hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the >>>>>> blitz, even >>>>>> if he >>>>>> has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he >> marches >>>>>> his >>>>>> troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a >>>>>> sustained >>>>>> ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the >>>>>> enemy's >>>>>> defensive line. >>>>>> >>>>>> In baseball the object is to go home! >>>>>> >>>>>> George Carlin, RIP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://nathanhondros.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> Douglas Barbour >>> [log in to unmask] >>> >>> http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ >>> >>> Latest books: >>> Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) >>> http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 >>> Wednesdays' >>> >>> >> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html >>> >>> In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the >>> field >>> general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the >>> defense by >>> hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, >>> even if >> he >>> has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he >>> marches >> his >>> troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a >> sustained >>> ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's >>> defensive line. >>> >>> In baseball the object is to go home! >>> >>> George Carlin, RIP >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andrew >> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/ >> > Douglas Barbour [log in to unmask] http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ Latest books: Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 Wednesdays' http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line. In baseball the object is to go home! George Carlin, RIP