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Oops wrongo sendo _____ From: Patrick McManus [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 16 June 2008 15:50 To: 'GILES GOODLAND' Subject: RE: Wallace Stevens question Enjoyed' the manner of addressing clouds' but whole discussion over the head of the silver surfer I go by sound (in a manner of speaking!) "folksonomies," is also a new word for me!!!! Cheers P the ignoranter _____ From: British & Irish poets [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of GILES GOODLAND Sent: 16 June 2008 15:25 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Wallace Stevens question I think that 'be' used as a noun would sound strange; but strangeness was the effect Stevens wanted; it is probably impossible to determine the part of speech Stevens intended (if he intended one). I prefer the reading Let 'be' be the finale of seem rather than Let (to) be be the finale of seem if it acts grammatically as a noun then perhaps it is one? In the poem anyway. Giles Jim Andrews <[log in to unmask]> wrote: is that the actual structure? i wouldn't think it is irrelevant, then. he wrote another fun one mentioning grammarians, by the way, in "the manner of addressing clouds": <http://poetry.poetryx.com/poems/5313/> http://poetry.poetryx.com/poems/5313/ here is my tip of the hat to stevens: <http://vispo.com/vismu/stevens.htm> http://vispo.com/vismu/stevens.htm . you need the free shockwave plugin for this one, which you can install from <http://vispo.com/misc/downloadShockwave.htm> http://vispo.com/misc/downloadShockwave.htm if you don't have it, and audio. ja -----Original Message----- From: British & Irish poets [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: June 16, 2008 6:18 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Wallace Stevens question Isn't the first 'be' a cited infinitive verb with the 'to' left off and isn't it as citation that it acts grammatically as a noun (phrase)? And is this supplementary pedantic enquiry beside the initial point? John _____ From: British & Irish poets [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews Sent: 16 June 2008 08:24 To: John Hall Subject: Re: Wallace Stevens question let be be finale of seem the only emperor is the emperor of ice cream. ja http://vispo.com <http://vispo.com/> -----Original Message----- From: British & Irish poets [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of GILES GOODLAND Sent: June 16, 2008 12:09 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Wallace Stevens question Can anyone think of a line where Stevens uses 'be' as a noun? I was sure he did it somewhere in some line like 'the intricacies of is' (or the something of is: complexities? imbrications?) but having searched his poetry on Literature Online I can't find it anywhere. Am I thinking of Stevens? Does anyone know what line I'm referring to? Thanks Giles