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I think this hits at a truth. I used to make my own 'crappy' wooden weapons as a child and spent hours of imaginative play dealing with dragons (not very historical in a purist sense - but hey), highwaymen, battles of WWII and all sorts of other creative adventures which took me deeper into an exciting historical world. As a girl growing up in the 1960s my stubborn resistance to being rescued and other passive delights also provided me, in retrospect, with a tough learning curve in feminist resistance!
 
I hope all children who are denied such things as 'crappy' wooden weapons have the wit and will to go maverick and deny that what we often impose upon them in our angsty adult way is what they actually think and are.
 
With regards history, as you say, the other stuff came later.
 
As a child I don't recall any association in my mind with sadism and malevolent cruelty and oddly, like the vast majority of people, playing with toy weapons has never made me want to rush out and use the real thing or be less empathetic about the use of weapons or implements of torture.
 
This was brought home to me on a relatively recent (and only) visit to the London Dungeon - most of which was a bit silly and left no impact or memory - except for the end where some authentic items were displayed. The six inch long eye gouge in its tiny cabinet had more impact on me than the whole place put together. I put this down to a well exercised imagination through early play which has made me more understanding of harsh reality and empathetic to its victims, not immune to it.
 
Jan
 
 


From: List for discussion of issues in museum education in the UK. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Sherrard
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I remember being at a school that banned us playing with toy weapons - even though that was a fair few years ago now. I also know that I got hooked on history by war stories, and generally the blood and guts and fighting stuff. Everything else came a bit later, but I'm not sure the ban had much effect. You might say I had bad taste as a child, but I would hope that most adults wouldn't try to regulate the way a kid like me plays around with historical stories.

Of course it is up to parents what their kids play with, but what fires up their child's imagination is not up to them at all. When schools ban kids playing with toy weapons it says more about their unwillingness to really engage with a child's imagination than it does about their commitment to shaping attitudes to violence.

Nick Sherrard

Key Accounts Manager, (UK Heritage)
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Agreed we shouldn't sanitise history - for an adult audience. But I sometimes feel that the more gruesome aspects of the past do need to be handled carefully with a young audience, rather than promoted to the exclusion of all else, like some of the horrible histories books do.

So, at Warwick Castle, I'm happy to watch the trebuchet being fired, and talk to my six-year-old about it. But I have never taken him into 'the torture chamber' and I steer clear of the unjolly 'rack' on which you can lie and have your photo taken.

 
Rebecca.


On 20/06/2008, Marcus Grainger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Well said Tehmina! We should not sanitize or veto aspects of history just to satisify our personal moral or ethical sensibilities. Our duty is to inform and educate. We should not justify, promote, rebute, ignore, or oppinionate any fact from the past.

Marcus Grainger
Education Officer
Jersey Heritage


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I rather think all this is more a consequence of how different parts
of modern society view 'weapons'.  That is to say, that violence and
willful harm, perhaps even sadistic tendencies evoked by weapons,
their use and portrayal today is the reason many people do not,
understandably, want their children to use them even in play.

However isn't there a question of education here?  Swords, catapults,
bows and arrows through time have been used for hunting as well as
warfare.  Knives were and indeed _are_ practical tools whose primary
purpose is not necessarily to mame or kill.  Keeping kids away from
wooden or other toy versions will not enable them to learn how to be
responsible or what the dangers are if they are used wrongly.

Schools who follow this kind of policy are doing a diservice to their
children and to the future of society of they constantly demonise
anything that could, possibly, be misconstrued, instead of providing a
real _education_ (as distinct from schooling).  If children understood
better how 'weapons' were used in the past, how those societies used,
respected and understood them, they will be far more likely to view
such things with caution and responsibility.  I worry about how this
kind of thing is fueling fear and it is through fear that
misunderstanding and misuse arise.


Tehmina

2008/6/19 Stephen Allen <
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> It's the sort of story which ends up in the Daily Mail under a 'Political
> Correctness Gone Mad!' headline.  However, as a parent and if I was a
> teacher I wouldn't want my kid(s) buying crappy toy weapons….
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> Hi All
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> I have asked a major wooden toy company who supply to English Heritage and
> many others for their view. This is their response. I am inclined to think
> that this is to do with individual school's decisions and not a general
> theme.
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> Towse Harrison
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> Hi
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> The short answer is I do not know of any directive.
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> The long answer is we have not heard any rumour from either the English
> Heritage Buyers or Historic Scotland's, The National Trust, Historic Royal
> Palaces or any of our many, many independent historic site customers.
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> We have e-mail orders from schools all over the country every week of the
> year; this week has been no exception.   We have built good relations with
> teachers all over Britain and they have said nothing about this matter.
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> There are many Schools that have a 'no weapons' policy on School trips, many
> more have a 'no pocket money' policy or say "only bring a pound to spend".
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> Throughout the whole of the UK we have not seen or heard of a lack of sales
> this year because parents are buying less toy weapons because they want to
> follow directives laid down by their child's school.   This sort of rumour
> does the rounds every five years or so.
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> As you have asked, you may pass on this e-mail to your colleges if you wish.
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> All the best,
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> Ben Jeal
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> Hi
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> You may realise that I have just ordered some toys from you if my name is
> familiar. I work in museum and heritage education and have just received the
> following email ( pasted in below this message) via the e-list of The Group
> for Education in Museums. This is one of those classics that will make
> people panic unless/until they know the truth. As wooden weapons are your
> speciality (and I know that English Heritage sell them at their sites) are
> you aware of anything like this - or is it just the policy of an individual
> school. I would be happy to pass your comments back to the e-list if you
> would like.
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> Many thanks
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> Towse  Harrison
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> SUN JESTER
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> We have had the following report from one of our site staff and I was
> wondering if anyone else had heard of this? I have looked at the DCSF
> website and googled, but can't find anything.
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> "After talking to a teacher I was informed that according to new school
> guidelines children on trips or at schools are not allowed to buy anything
> resembling weapons anymore AT ALL. This means that in future bows and arrows
> , swords, catapults wont be purchased by school groups.
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> We have also noticed the trend of parents also following this as well, often
> overhearing the "no weapons" rule being told to children".
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