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Hi Pete: I would say, an event is not amenable to a bibliographic citation, and is not a bibliographic resource. An event is amenable to reference in language, just like emotions are. However, I don't think the definition of anything referenceable is a good approach to understanding bibliographic resources. It seems to me the latter has a narrower extension, and we want that to be the case for this property. Let's see if I can construct an example that is compelling. I believe the crux of this issue has to do with inscription. An event that is not recorded (inscripted?) violates the purpose of citation. We want to cite so we can refer to some text or some inscription for verification or further enlightenment. Yes? Consider Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring". It *was* an event, and *can be* an event again, but those particular events are not what one might cite in a paper. One could cite the score or the inscription of the dance moves Nijinsky had them do (Stuart Sutton knows what this form of inscription is called), and perhaps even reports on the event (in newspapers) can be *cited*, but that is only because one can refer to the text or inscription. All of those texts and inscriptions refer to some event, but that event is not cited. Does that make things clear? In my opinion bibliographic resource and bibliographic citation both have narrower intensions than your colleague calls for below. joe -----Original Message----- From: A mailing list for the Dublin Core Metadata Initiative's Usage Board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete Johnston Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:44 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Bibliographic resources and events (FW: minor problem) A good old question about our term definitions. Hurrah! :-) See below.... This question has been passed to me, but I guess it's a question of the definition of our class dcterms:BibliographicResource (used as domain of dcterms:bibliographicCitation) Does this class include events? If I recall correctly, this was one for which we couldn't find a good "off the shelf" definition See e.g. http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Abibliographic But I don't think there was any intent to include events? Even accepting the notion that a bibliographic resource should be anything that is the subject of a bibliographic citation, does that really include events? http://www.google.com/search?q=define:bibliographic+citation All of those definitions seem narrower than that to me. Over to the librarians :-) Pete -----Original Message----- From: Mark Diggory [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tue 6/3/2008 8:26 PM To: [log in to unmask]; Pete Johnston Subject: Re: minor problem On Jun 3, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Frederick Giasson wrote: > > Hi Bruce, > >>> But this is not the case as long as I know. I want to find the >>> connection that lead you to assert that these three classes are >>> equivalent :) >>> >> >> I define a BibliographicResource as anything that can go in a >> bibliography. Therefore, it is not limited to documents. >> > > > Well.... dcterms define it has: "A book, article, or other documentary > resource." > > > So, this comes down to: what is a "documentary resource" > > > Can an event be a documentary resource? I think this is one that the DCMIi community should clarify and make more applicable. I personally think a BibliographicResource should be any "Resource" that ones system would want to represent as "citable" in a Bibliographic citation, regardless of its "form" or "type" (except for being of type "BibliographicResource"). I've cc'd Pete Johnson in hopes of some clarification in this area. I suppose if your system was designed to represent Events as things that could be cited, then, an Event could be a BibliographicResource. -Mark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark R. Diggory - DSpace Developer and Systems Manager MIT Libraries, Systems and Technology Services Massachusetts Institute of Technology Home Page: http://purl.org/net/mdiggory/homepage