They're not really separate things, Geraldine, because the forums themselves often give rise to the anthologies. 

I don't mind being identified as a woman poet; I'm happy enough to identify like that.  I'll even do Irish poet or funny poet.  If there are multiple categories available, I'm glad of them.  Poet is good too.

I don't think publishing in a woman-only anthology means being separatist.  I have said yes to every anthology invitation, it just so happens two out of 6 were women-only.  I just like to publish, and am open to the possibilities.  It's not either/or.

But everyone has her own way of negotiating this.  I don't feel it as a problem.  I like & value women-only publications, for lots of reasons besides opportunity, e.g., because they are self-conscious, usually capable of theorizing their position, and usually express some contemporary development, at least those in which I have been included.

Mairead

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Geraldine Monk <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
With respect,  Mairead,  I think you're rolling very different things together.  Forums are very different beasts to anthologies.  I subscribe to a music forum because I can't discuss here what I need to discuss there - although I have to say I've never heard of the concept of a music forum just for women or just for mothers, so I admit I find the concept of a forum for women poets or women poet mums a wee bit strange even if they are fun.  But hey, I'm not going to dictate who talks to who.  That's none of my business. 
 
But on the subject of  W.O. Anthologies which are in the public arena and being marketed as a specific or specialist genre I don't think they promote diversity I think they promote division.  And as Tilla pointed out that division defines you whether you like it or not.  Woman poet instead of poet. 
 
That was never the intention - in fact the opposite was the intention: to highlight women's poetry so we could become fully integrated members of society not that we could have a shelf all to ourselves in a bookshop.  What you see as diversity I see as exclusion except it's not the boys who are excluding us now it's ourselves.  The irony is enough to make me weep. 
 
But thanks for the feedback because it has helped me to clarify my reasons for declining these anthologies and I hope one day they'll be a thing of the past - but that's up to women to make them a thing of the past.  Just say no.  It's in our own interests. 
 
Cheers,
 
Geraldine
 
 
 
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I am glad though.  I'm a fan of diversity & multiple, even overlapping approaches.  I'm a member of a few women-only listservs & they're the liveliest forums (ahem fora?) I belong to.  I was reading something about transexuality today, which said it wasn't a category but a modality.  When I was a journalist, that's pretty much how I thought of it: not a profession but a means of access.  So I like being able to participate in multiple spaces, why not?  I think, historically, there's a place for women-only anthologies, just as (or even moreso than) there's a space for race-based anthologies, or nationally-based anthologies (or listservs).  They're all rhetorical means of expression & articulation.  Cave Canem is a really excellent residency program here, founded by Toi Derricotte & Cornelius Eady, for building community/challenge/exchange between African-American poets.  I've seen some of the outcomes.  It make absolute sense to consolidate when necessary, & to display & to proliferate.  I went to a Cave Canem reading at the Bowery Poetry Club in New York this year -- yes, that big burst of power came from that deliberate consolidation, & I loved it & learned.  I don't have a problem with -only anthologies.  Generally, they're very self-conscious & thoughtful about reasons, being almost by default in a defensive position.  I'd love if oh-boy-only-how-did-that-happen or nearly-only anthologies demonstrated more of that thoughtfulness and theorization.
Mairead