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hi Caroline the best numbers I have are the 3-4,000/ 13,000 already discussed here (and I have heard it from several sources, which might indicate that it is a 'party line' that is being given out to all channels)- I felt that the only way I could get a better figure was to join one or more of the OTOs and work my way up to a point where I might get access to such figures, which would not be remotely ethical as it would have been for academic reasons, not spiritual the book does discuss the UK population census of 2001, which was also problematic as the 'religion held' was (a) a voluntary component within a mandatory exercise, and (b) there was scope for the respondent to name their religions as "other" and either not specify it, or specify their own kind thus there were a lot of "others" (and very many "prefer not to say") and a lot of self-labelling that may not indicate a 1:1 correspondence with what academics might hope: for example there were (all small numbers) Heathen and Asatru and I'd be of the mind that one is a subset of the other there were a lot of 'pagan' and 'new age' also a lot of "own religion" no specific Thelemites, but around 1500 who self-labeled as Satanists so, a hugely problematic data set! dave e ----- Original Message ----- From: Caroline Tully To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Numbers of Thelemites? Greetings, does anyone happen to know what the _numbers of Thelemites_ (of all sorts) might be in the UK (and in the USA if possible)? Is this the kind of thing you have in your British Magic After Crowley book Dave? (Whilch I'm currently awaiting). Would this be in any British census? Or would Thelemites have been subsumed under 'Pagans' or something like that. Thanks, From Caroline Tully. http://necropolisnow.blogspot.com/