medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: Henk 't Jong <[log in to unmask]> > Hi Chris, > You wrote: >>and, i've previously mentioned abbot Udo [*never* Odo, btw] _Canardus/Chenardus_ of St. Peter's of Chartres [d. 1150], the cognomen being carried by the family and probably indicative of an heraldic plant. > Couldn't it have been a nickname? well, a cognomen is a kind of nickname. _caput ferri_, for instance (which, i can't decide, means either "hard headed" or "iron helm"); or "papillon"; or "Flagellus"; or "qui bibit aqua"; or "qui verberat[?] ad panem" ["who speaks to his bread"??]... most, but by no means all, cognomenaes (in the 11th-12th c. Chartrain, the only region i know anything about) were toponymics or patronymics (though those are not really cognomenses, in the strict sense of the word, as i understand it). >Because he walked 'duckfooted' for instance? could be anydamned thing. "niger" is found in a Blesois family over some generations --what, the guy was "black"? and, if walking "duckfooted" was an hereditary trait, passed down to the male members over at least three generations (and detachable to the name of the family seat, the modren Louville-la-Chenard, en plien Beauce), then that could well be the origin of it, i suppose. except that _chenardus/canardus_ doesn't mean "duck" in the 12th c. that's a bit of a Fly in the hapless Researcher's Ointment. >Or talked like Donald Duck? yes, obviously, that must be it. a well-known hereditary trait. >I have never come across a heraldic plant called 'chenard' in all my practice as a heraldist (36 years). well, we don't really have to establish that "chenard" was used as an heraldic emblem, do we? only that it was a plant --it being well known that all sorts of plants were put to that purpose by the middlevils. for example: chenard CHENARD (che-nar) s. m. Un des noms vulgaires du chènevis. HISTORIQUE XVIe s. RONS[ARD?]., 747: Au lieu du bon froment est sorty la nielle, Chardons pour artichaux, chenarde pour safran ÉTYMOLOGIE Le radical paraît être le même que dans chènevis. [<Émile Littré, Dictionnaire de la langue française (1872-1877), http://colet.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/dico1look.pl?strippedhw=chenard ] and CHÈNEVIS, subst. masc. BOT. Graine du chanvre, utilisée comme appât pour les poissons et comme nourriture des oiseaux en volière : Les graines du chanvre (cannabis sativa, L), connues sous le nom de chenevis, sont ovales, un peu comprimées, lisses, tronquées par un bout, pourvues à l'autre extrémité d'une cavité ronde, d'un gris blanc. J.-B. KAPELER, J.-B. CAVENTOU, Manuel des pharmaciens et des droguistes, t. 1, 1821, p. 180. Étymol. et Hist. 1205-50 chanevis « graine de chanvre » (Renart, éd. Martin, XXII, 54), forme attestée jusqu'au XVe s. (1487 canevis ds GDF. Compl.); 1268 chanevuis, chenevis (E. BOILEAU, Métiers, 283, 159 ds T.-L.). Chenevuis du lat. vulg. * (THOMAS (A.) Mél. Étymol.1, p. 50 et REW3, no 1599) dér. du lat. canapus (chanvre*), devenu chenevis (cf. vuide > vide*). Fréq. abs. littér. : 22. Bbg. GOUG. Mots t. 2 1966, p. 125. SAIN. Sources t. 2 1972 [1925], p. 244. [Trésor de la Langue Française <http://atilf.atilf.fr/dendien/scripts/tlfiv5/affart.exe?19;s=83578545;?b=0; ] and Nicot, Thresor de la langue française (1606) chanvre (Page 112) du Chanvre, Cannabis. Chanvre rouy, Cannabis fluuiata. Dictionnaire de L'Académie française, 1st Edition (1694) CHANVRE. s. m. Plante qui porte le chenevis, & de l'escorce de laquelle on fait de la filace. Chanvre femelle. chanvre masle. cueillir du chanvre. faire roüir le chanvre. Il signifie plus particulierement, L'escorce de cette plante. De beau chanvre. tiller, broyer le chanvre. fil de chanvre. toile de chanvre. Chenevis. s. m. Graine de chanvre. Semer du chenevis. ces Oiseaux-là vivent de chenevis. mettre du chenevis dans l'auget. Cheneviere. s. f. Lieu où l'on seme le chanvre, Il faut faire là une cheneviere. la terre est trop seche pour y faire une cheneviere. On appelle, Espouventail de cheneviere, Un certain phantosme, ou certain paquet, qu'on met dans un champ, ou dans un jardin pour faire peur aux oiseaux. On dit d'Une personne laide & mal bastie, que C'est un épouventail de cheneviere. [http://colet.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/dico1look.pl?strippedhw=chanvre ] so, clearly, we are in the presence of a bunch of ill-tempered, dope smoking guys who walk [and talk] like a duck. problemo solvo. Q.E.D. c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html