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Hello Everyone, Speaking as someone who does freelance on occasion, (and as some one who worked in Outdoor Education where the accreditation came in some years ago) a few of things spring to mind... I believe individuals won't be able to get a badge. At present people employ me because I'm good at what I do, how will I prove that I'm up to 'badge' standards if I can't apply for one? Will museums have to prove that freelancers are up to the required standard? I'm happy to earn badges (I used to be a boy scout and in outdoor activities I had to carry a number of certificates to demonstrate 'current competancy'), but there comes a point where the time and cost needed to keep the everthing current is prohibitive for all but the largest providers. Some of the living history work I and colleagues do, is based in schools and the outdoors, not museums. I believe this won't come under the 'badge'. I don't work exclusively within museums so would organisations such as English Heritage, The National Trust and National Parks have to get badges - how would that work for an organisation with hundreds of sites across the country. Who is going to explain to teachers what the badges mean? There was confusion when the Adventure Activities Licensing Authority (AALA) began to accredit outdoor centres, it took a number of years before teachers knew what they were looking for. Hope this is helpful, regards, Roy Roy Lawson ________________________________ From: List for discussion of issues in museum education in the UK. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Gouldsbrough Sent: 27 May 2008 09:33 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Learning outside the classroom manifesto I agree too. You shouldn't need to buy a badge to prove you meet the criteria. This would mean that some brilliant and fascinating venues wouldn't have a badge and would be overlooked if that was the only criteria teachers looked at - as an ex teacher, I would look at subject content and what activities were available for my class rather than whether it had a badge or not..... Would we all be inspected by ofsted to prove we were delivering what we said we would on the form to deserve our badge...???? Would we get little stars on our badge if we offer more at a later date (a la MacDonalds)? Sorry - I find the badging idea rather ill concieved. Badge away if we get one free 'cos we meet the criteria - then we all have a fair chance. Best wishes to all! Sarah Sarah Gouldsbrough Learning and Access Officer Community Services Darlington Borough Council Head of Steam - Darlington Railway Museum 2 McNay Street, Darlington, DH3 6SW tel: 01325 734128 (direct line) -----Original Message----- From: List for discussion of issues in museum education in the UK. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Peter Hood Sent: 26 May 2008 20:00 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Learning outside the classroom manifesto Sadly missed training day due to work committments !!!!! I entirely concur with your comment Susan - our own local museum has zero subsidy and certainly could not afford this. I am also interesed in the implications for freelancers - any thoughts out there? Cheers Peter Hood www.pastpresent.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Eddisford <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: Learning outside the classroom manifesto I recently attended an excellent day organised by MLA South West on progress with the Learning outside the classroom manifesto. However I was concerned to hear that applications for badging would probably cost £100 per museum, irrespective of size. This is a considerable sum for small volunteer run museums. It seems to me that if the badging scheme is to have credibility and support it should be available to all museums who meet the education provision and delivery standards, not just those who can afford it. I would be interested to hear what Gemmers think. Best wishes Susan Eddisford Education Officer Tiverton Museum of Mid Devon Life ---------------------------------- DISCLAIMER 1. This mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. Unauthorised use, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this mail in error please notify the sender at the above address and then delete the mail from your system. 2. Any opinions expressed in this mail are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Darlington Borough Council. 3. This mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus. It is however the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free. No responsibility is accepted by Darlington Borough Council for any loss or damage arising from the receipt of this mail or its contents.