I agree with Paul and Judith. I think if there is to be an umbrella term then ELT as an overarching acronym works well. One can then have sub-levels within the field: ESOL, EFL, ESP, EAP, etc. Unless one wants to take a Krashen approach and talk about ELA - English Language Acquisition!
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From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kirsh, Judith Susan
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I find this discussion fascinating! I have to say that, as a teacher-trainer and having taught both EFL and ESOL for many years, I don't feel it's helpful to see them as two completely separate disciplines. There are far more similarities than differences. Also, students who were 'EFL' suddenly find they can be considered 'ESOL' - which is a purely political distinction. Where do the teachers fit in to this? EFL teachers need to acquire skills to teach 'traditional' ESOL learners and basic literacy, which would broaden their career options and allow them to work both overseas and in the UK. After all, not all EFL learners are literate in many parts of the world. ESOL teachers need to be able to teach high-level former EFL learners, as well as those at E1, and ESOL teacher-training courses need to reflect this.
I find it more realistic to see the learners in terms of 'ELT': those living in the UK - for a short or long time, whatever their status - still need to acquire the language skills to cope with their lives and therefore I regard ESOL/EFL as a continuum. At one end, there are those with no literacy or English language skills and, at the other, high-level, well-educated individuals. What do others think?
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From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hann, Naeema
Sent: 14 May 2008 13:11
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Subject: Re: Language Learning Principles & Materials Development- 6th British Universities Postgraduate Research Conference
A further clarification, there is indeed an inreasing blur between ESOL and EFL which is not unhelpful. Certainly, a number of researchers 'now argue that such a divide between the two groups of learners is no longer sustainable, nor does it address the diverse needs of the adult learners who come to FE colleges for help with their English' (Barton and Pitt, 2003). As an ESOL and EFL practitioner with 27+ years of experience, I would agree.
As far as PostGrad conferences go, it was a good conference with a variety of topic areas to do with Materials Development for language learning. It certainly wasn't a pure ESOL conference and nor was it billed as such. A number of presentations were by overseas students and it would be limiting to impose the AECC as used in England and language level titles, as used mostly by state funded ESOL programmes in the UK, on English Language programmes overseas. English, and its teaching and learning, have healthily evolved for more than a century now and this is almost a uniting influence for many cultures and nationalities- it is the language they have in common and this is a great strength.
looking forward to the ESOL research group meeting tonight!
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From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board on behalf of Stephen Woulds
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Just a quick feedback on the 'Language Learning Principles' conference. The flier for the event stated that the 'conference will focus on materials for the ESOL context' yet what I actually saw was a number of presentations on what I would consider to be EFL. Some participants for example were completely unaware of what Entry 1, Entry 2, etc, means. There does appear to be an increasing blurring of distinctions which I think is not helpful.
I noteable ESOL example was delivered by Bev Davies in which she gave a very persuasive presentation on 'returning to realia'. From the Salford Hertitage Services she discussed the use of historical objects to generate language activities, based on a project she ran with asylum seekers. The basic premise being one of physical engagement with objects and the very human desire to name and explain what we don't understand.
For more of her project and packs go to: http://www.salford.gov.uk/leisure/museums/esol.htm
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For more info on the national project (Open Doors) to engage skills for life learners with museums/heritage, go to: http://www.mlay-skillsforlife.org.uk/
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Here is a conference in Leeds which may interest colleagues. It is a day conference and is free.
naeema
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Postgraduate Research Conference
Language Learning Principles & Materials Development
Saturday 10 May
10.30am - 4pm
310, Cloth Hall Court
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6th British Universities Postgraduate Research Conference
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You are invited to attend this stimulating one day conference - entry is free of charge!
The conference will provide postgraduate students and researchers from British, EU and overseas universities with an opportunity to put forward and exchange ideas on the interface between learning, teaching and materials development from both theoretical and practical perspectives.
A great networking opportunity and environment to debate ideas, the conference will focus on materials for the ESOL context, socio-cultural issues and materials development, as well as implementing methodologies in different contexts.
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Plenary Guest Speaker
Ivor Timmis
Materials Design: Principled Compromise or Compromised Principles?
This seminar will discuss the process of writing materials for publication, with a particular emphasis on what happens when the principles of the material's writer conflicts with the views of other stakeholders, such as publishers and education authorities.
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