Hello everyone
Many thanks for the response on this, it is surprising to me and everyone I
ask that they think they know the exact details but they don't! I actually
only need this as a reference and to talk about in a paragraph of my thesis
but I have to get the details right. I am going to hunt a couple of those
leads and I will get back to the list with the exact answer as soon as I
can!
Best wishes,
Jennifer
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Subject: Re: Query re ban on married women teachers
To put everything within the context it's historic time I should clarify my
previous post - the 1944 Act applied only to married teachers in the UK.
The 1946 [British] Royal Commission on Equal Pay opened the Diplomatic
Service to women but still forced them leave on marriage.
Equal pay for teachers did not come until 1953 in the UK.
Carmel
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Hi, Sent this to Jenny off list yesterday but occurs it might be of
wider interest. There is an article on the ban in Saothar 12: The Irish
National Teachers' Organisation and the marriage bar for women national
teachers, 1933 - 58 by Eoin O'Leary.
All the best,
Sandra
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:40:45 +0100
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Here is a response form Prof. Aine Hyland:
The ban related to all civil servants and national school
teachers. It did not relate to secondary school teachers as they were
employed privately (even though their salaries were paid from the public
purse) but in practice virtually all secondary school managers took
advantage of the ban to prevent teachers from working after marriage.
Universities did the same thing - in theory the ban could not be
enforced on them but it suited them to implement it. I think the ban
came into existence in the late 1930 - the date in my head is 1938 - but
I will check this for you.
Bettie
Dr, Bettie Higgs
Geology Dept
UCC
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Sent: 18 April 2008 08:30
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Hi again, Just found this in notes of my mine - will let you
know when I'm back in office and can put my hands on a ref. -
'in 1933 it became law for national schoolteachers to resign on
marriage, and the 1935 Employment Act extended the marriage bar to all
civil service posts.'
Myrtle
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Sent: 17 April 2008 22:42
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Subject: Re: Query re ban on married women teachers
Hi, Jennifer --
Would it possibly have been justified under Article 41.2 of the
Constitution?
41.2.1 In particular, the State recognizes that by her life
within the home, woman gives in the State a support without which the
common good cannot be achieved
41.2.2 The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that
mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour
to the neglect of their duties in the home.
One way to ensure duties aren't neglected is to ban married
women from working. I don't know if there's anything that states it more
forthrightly. Florence Craven mentioned the marriage ban at last year's
ACIS. I don't have contact information for her but perhaps she's on the
list or someone who is knows her?
Good luck!
Peggy
Peggy Lindsey
Lecturer, Department of English
Wright State University
Dayton OH 45435
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From: The Women on Ireland Research Network
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Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:13 PM
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Subject: Query re ban on married women teachers
Hello All
I was wondering if anyone can tell me the exact name of
the act/statutory instrument/departmental circular (I am not sure which
it is) that banned married women teachers in Ireland in the 1930s? I
have found numerous references to the fact that this happened (I believe
in 1934) but I can't find how it happened. It is not in the name or
content of any act on the Oireachtas website, although I am thinking it
may have an obscure title.
If anyone can help it would be much appreciated!
Best wishes,
Jennifer
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Jennifer Redmond
Researcher
Centre for Gender and Women's Studies
School of Histories and Humanities
20 Westland Row
Trinity College
Dublin 2
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Tel: 00 353 1 8963970
Fax: 00 353 1 8963997
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Hi Jennifer,
In Saothar 12 (1987) there is an article by Eoin O'Leary on the INTO and
the marriage bar for women National Teachers 1933-1958. I haven't got a
copy to hand so I can't check it for you but I'm fairly sure that T.J.
O'Connell's history of the INTO also has a section on the introduction
of the marriage ban and he covers other issues related to the terms and
conditions of women teachers.
Hope the work is going well.
Best wishes,
Mary
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